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1 posted on 06/03/2016 4:50:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Is the Pope Catholic?


2 posted on 06/03/2016 4:53:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("During a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" --George Orwell)
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Maybe he’s feeling the “muslim love” and wants to reach out to the other Christian denominations for help, given we’re all cherished, er, I mean despised by the muzz.


3 posted on 06/03/2016 4:53:57 PM PDT by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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“The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity”. I could see this promoting a one world religion to go along with a one world government.


4 posted on 06/03/2016 5:04:23 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm so open minded that you should only think like me.)
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Worst Pope in many centuries, and in some respects, the worst Pope of all time. Pray for a speedy death.


6 posted on 06/03/2016 5:08:50 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Thank God for the Reformation and blessed Father Luther, who was an instrument in recovering the Gospel of Grace.

I am always amazed at how in history and in life, God uses flawed men and women to accomplish His purposes.

“Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!”

2 Corinthians 9:15


7 posted on 06/03/2016 5:16:14 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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“Lutheranism has but two objects at heart—money and women.”

“Catholicism has but two objects at heart—money and young boys.”


8 posted on 06/03/2016 5:22:46 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ebb tide
Further reflections on the abomination du jour
9 posted on 06/03/2016 5:32:19 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: ebb tide; Elsie
For example, the ex-priest Martin Bucer, who’d benefited from Luther’s moral dispensations where an ex-nun and his vows were concerned, nevertheless admits: "The whole Reformation was one grand indulgence for libertinism. The greater part of the people seems only to have embraced the gospel in order to shake off the yoke of discipline and the obligation of fasting and penance, which rested upon them in popery, and that they may live according to their own pleasure, enjoying their lusts and lawless appetites without control. That was the reason they lent a willing ear to the teaching of justification by faith alone and not by good works, for the latter of which they had no relish."

Wow. Just. Wow.

Perhaps we need the naughty list of popes.

While we're at it the list of pedophile priests would be interesting also.

and the obligation of fasting and penance,

More false teachings by catholicism.

enjoying their lusts and lawless appetites without control.

I've seen so many drunk catholics in my life it isn't funny.

betcha there have been a whole bunch of catholic boys and girls doing things they shouldn't also.

That was the reason they lent a willing ear to the teaching of justification by faith alone and not by good works, for the latter of which they had no relish."

Well it's a good thing Paul didn't feel this way....oh wait.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Eph 2:8-10

12 posted on 06/03/2016 6:00:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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In my days at Fordham I had the privilege of meeting one great Lutheran cleric Richard Neuhaus and having another as professor of Early Christianity, Robert Wilkin. Both men were great intellects, devout in their Faith and tremendously respectful toward mine. Both later converted to Catholicism. It is because of knowing such men that I am disconcerted by the tone of this article. At best it tries to explain the modern relationship between Catholic and Lutheran as if this were still the 16th Century. I thought only Muslims did that.


13 posted on 06/03/2016 6:30:32 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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REMNANT COMMENT: Ah, yes, the 'gifts of the Reformation' -- such as the tearing in half of holy Christendom. The beginning of the end of the Holy Roman Empire. The destruction of the Catholic state. The loss of millions of souls who fell victim to the vile heresies of Martin Luther.

I guess you Sedavacanists don't like Pope Benedict XVI either? He had this to say about the Reformation:

"For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution. It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation."

— Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for the Church of Rome, “Principles of Catholic Theology,” trans. by Sister Mary Frances McCarthy, S.N.D. (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989) p.196). http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2012/06/13/whos-in-charge-here-the-illusions-of-church-infallibility/

You probably won't want to hear from these either:

• Catholic Encyclopedia>Council of Constance:

The Western Schism was thus at an end, after nearly forty years of disastrous life; one pope (Gregory XII) had voluntarily abdicated; another (John XXIII) had been suspended and then deposed, but had submitted in canonical form; the third claimant (Benedict XIII) was cut off from the body of the Church, "a pope without a Church, a shepherd without a flock" (Hergenröther-Kirsch). It had come about that, whichever of the three claimants of the papacy was the legitimate successor of Peter, there reigned throughout the Church a universal uncertainty and an intolerable confusion, so that saints and scholars and upright souls were to be found in all three obediences. On the principle that a doubtful pope is no pope, the Apostolic See appeared really vacant, and under the circumstances could not possibly be otherwise filled than by the action of a general council. — http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04288a.htm

• Cardinal Bellarmine:

"Some years before the rise of the Lutheran and Calvinistic heresy, according to the testimony of those who were then alive, there was almost an entire abandonment of equity in ecclesiastical judgments; in morals, no discipline; in sacred literature, no erudition; in divine things, no reverence; religion was almost extinct. — Concio XXVIII. Opp. Vi. 296- Colon 1617, in “A History of the Articles of Religion,” by Charles Hardwick, Cp. 1, p. 10,

• Erasmus, in his new edition of the “Enchiridion,” “What man of real piety does not perceive with sighs that this is far the most corrupt of all ages? When did iniquity abound with more licentiousness? When was charity so cold?” — “The Evolution of the English Bible: A Historical Sketch of the Successive,” p. 132 by Henry William Hamilton-Hoare

• At the time of the Reformation, the Catholic historian Paul Johnson described the existing social situation among the clergy:

“Probably as many as half the men in orders had ‘wives’ and families. Behind all the New Learning and the theological debates, clerical celibacy was, in its own way, the biggest single issue at the Reformation. It was a great social problem and, other factors being equal, it tended to tip the balance in favour of reform. As a rule, the only hope for a child of a priest was to go into the Church himself, thus unwillingly or with no great enthusiasm, taking vows which he might subsequently regret: the evil tended to perpetuate itself.” (History of Christianity, pgs 269-270)

• In the summer of 1536, Pope Paul III appointed Cardinals Contarini and Cafara and a commission to study church Reform. The report of this commission, the Consilium de emendanda ecclesiae, was completed in March 1537. The final paragraphs deal with the corruptions of Renaissance Rome itself:

“the swarm of sordid and ignorant priests in the city, the harlots who are followed around by clerics and by the noble members of the cardinals’ households …”

“The immediate effects of the Consilium fell far below the hopes of its authors and its very frankness hampered its public use. … the more noticeably pious prelates [note: this the “noticeably pious” clergy] had no longer to tolerate the open cynicism of the Medicean period, and when moral lapses by clerics came to light, pains were now taken to hush them up as matters of grievous scandal.”

— .G. Dickens, “The Counter Reformation,” pp. 100,102)

In the same candid spirit is the following statement of de Mézeray, the historiographer of France: [Abrege’ Chronol. VIII. 691, seqq. a Paris, 1681.]

“As the heads of the Church paid no regard to the maintenance of discipline, the vices and excesses of the ecclesiastics grew up to the highest pitch, and were so public and universally exposed as to excite against them the hatred and contempt of the people. We cannot repeat without a blush the usury, the avarice, the gluttony, the universal dissoluteness of the priests of this period, the licence and debauchery of the monks, the pride and extravagance of the prelates, and the shameful indolence, ignorance and superstition pervading the whole body .... These were not, I confess, new scandals: I should rather say that the barbarism and ignorance of preceding centuries, in some sort, concealed such vices; but,, on the subsequent revival of the light of learning, the spots which I have pointed out became more manifest, and as the unlearned who were corrupt could not endure the light through the pain which it caused to their eyes, so neither did the learned spare them, turning them to ridicule and delighting to expose their turpitude and to decry their superstitions.”

Bossuet* in the opening statements of his “Histoire des Variations,” admits the frightful corruptions of the Church for centuries before the Reformation; and he has been followed in our own times by Frederic von Schlegel [Philosophy of History, 400, 401, 410, Engl. Transl. 1847.] and Möhler. [Symbolik, II. 31, 32, Engl. Transl.]

While all of them are most anxious to prove that the Lutheran movement was revolutionary and subversive of the ancient faith, they are constrained to admit the universality of the abuses, which, in the language of Schlegel, “lay deep, and were ulcerated in their very roots.” — Charles Hardwick A History of the Articles of Religion;

http://www.anglicanbooksrevitalized.us/Oldies/Thirty-Nine/hardwick39.htm

More: HERE

34 posted on 06/03/2016 9:57:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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"Pope Francis’ visit to Lund, Sweden, to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Reformation will comprise “two parts” beginning with a “common prayer” service in Lund's Lutheran cathedral and continuing with a public event at Malmö Arena that will be open to wider participation, Vatican and Lutheran leaders have announced.


35 posted on 06/04/2016 3:27:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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God help us, what is the matter with this man!


Compare these words to...


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

36 posted on 06/04/2016 3:30:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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God help us, what is the matter with this man!


Good question!

Along the lines of...

...what was the matter with THESE men??




Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

37 posted on 06/04/2016 3:32:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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God help us, what is the matter with this man!

Mr. Matt, I think you know very well what is wrong with this man. You just don't want to admit to it...at least not publically.

He's an apostate, a public heretic, a non-Catholic and therefore can not possibly be your pope.

44 posted on 06/04/2016 4:21:55 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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Bookmark


69 posted on 06/04/2016 8:14:52 PM PDT by SunLakesJeff (Thank you, St. Thomas More.)
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