Posted on 04/23/2018 7:28:38 AM PDT by Salvation
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Don’t change the subject.
God prohibits the consumption of blood.
In the animal sacrifices, which foreshadowed the redemptive work of Christ on the cross, the blood was NEVER consumed.
God specifically said that the blood was to be poured out for the atonement.
Here, like we've told you many times before.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Also, the thing that tells us it must be a metaphor and to not be taken literally is the the interpretation of taking it literally contradicts the rest of the body of revealed Scripture, all those prohibitions against eating blood.
That sure is a lot of requirements for salvation.
So which one of that list saves someone?
All of them? Some of them? One of them?
Or is it different means for different people?
You are very clearly demonstrating that you have NO clue what salvation by grace through faith in Christ without works means.
You have completely misrepresented what salvation by faith means.
Not intentionally, no doubt but all you've done is resorted to putting out Catholic talking points.
I don’t think St. Paul contradicts St. James. Do you?
This is the summit of our faith.
You didn't know this?
This is what He does for us. "Life in Christ" sums it all up. This is the life of Faith.
Awaiting your reply.
No, I don’t which is why the Catholic interpretation of James is wrong.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Yes....if one understands what faith is.
You can't "earn enough points" to get into Heaven.
If you're trying to do it that way you are not saved.
Hence why Christians say Roman Catholics believe work earns salvation.
Ya'll have the cart before the horse....though I'm not sure you have the horse.
It's the other way around. One professes faith in Christ because the person believes in Christ.
If they were to die two seconds after that they gain Heaven as He promised.
If one is blessed to live longer one begins to produce fruit for the kindgom....not to stay in the kingdom....but because you're in the kingdom.
Hear the Word.
Believe the Word.
Serve the Word.
That's the order.
This is a living, working, active and growing faith, not easy-believe-ism or what some call "faith alone," a merely verbal and notional faith.
You're sounding mighty proud of your "works" there. You might be bordering on a mortal sin....though the NT doesn't teach that.
If you read Romans, especially in the Greek, yes....it is faith alone that saves us. No work can gain Heaven for you.
Jesus told the unbelieving Jews this in John 6.
26Jesus answered them and said, Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal. 28Therefore they said to Him, What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?
29Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent. John 6:26-29 NASB
Roman Catholics however seem to be where the unbelieving Jews were..... 30So they said to Him, What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? John 6:30 NASB
That is very clear in Scripture.
Jesus would not contradict Himself. However, Rome has.
Well, I did look at them and yes, you did cherry-pick. But you also took the verses out of context which is just as bad as cherry picking.
Awaiting your reply to my question.
How can God command circumcision as a perpetual institution, and then say henceforth men do not need to be circumcised?
How could God command the prescribed rituals of Passover as a perpetual intitution, and then drop the Old observance of Passover in the Christian era?
, How could God command The observance of the Seventh Day as The Sabbath, and then countenance the observance of Sunday as the Lord's Day?
The answers. Or at least one part, one aspect of the answer, because this goes very deep.
Circumcision was fulfilled and taken up into Baptism as the way to be initiated into God's community, and Passover was fulfilled and taken up into Easter (Pascha) as the celebration of our liberation from slavery, sin and death. Saturday marked the rest of God after He had worked for six days in Creation; Sunday marks the day of the Lord's Resurrection, His greatest work of all; the dawn of the New Creation.
The prohibition of consuming blood was because of the sacredness of life ( "Life is in the blood") and this was fulfilled by God's astounding invitation to us now not to refrsin, but to partake of the Sacred, in fact the most Sacred object in the visible Universe, the precious Blood of the Lamb, Our Lord Jesus Christ.
This is not the blood of a strangled chicken, which defiles. This is the saving, lifesaving Blood of God's dearly beloved Son, which purifies us and makes us clean.
The Old Covenant was the time of signs and symbols. The New Covenant is concealed in the Old; the Old Covenant is revealed in the New. This is the perennial Faith of the Church. Then, for 2,000 years, and now: we proclaim the death of the Lord, and profess His Resurrection, until He comes again.
. Still awaiting your answer. Shouldnt be to hard.
Your comment: “Since baptism saves no one, it doesn’t matter if you’ve been baptized or not or are a member of the denomination or not.”
Please show me where Jesus agrees with your statement. False statements may harm others.
While some may try hard to understand the Bible, this is an example that personal opinion is in error and misleading and why we should follow Catholic teaching to understand what Jesus tells us in necessary for salvation:
Gospel Mk 16:15-20
Jesus appeared to the Eleven and said to them:
“Go into the whole world
and proclaim the Gospel to every creature.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved;
whoever does not believe will be condemned.
These signs will accompany those who believe:
in my name they will drive out demons,
they will speak new languages.
They will pick up serpents with their hands,
and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them.
They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Then the Lord Jesus, after he spoke to them,
was taken up into heaven
and took his seat at the right hand of God.
But they went forth and preached everywhere,
while the Lord worked with them
and confirmed the word through accompanying signs.
Notice whoever does not believe will be condemned. The key is believing. You can be baptized but not believe. Your handle sums up Rome very well.
You can also say that you believe, but be in mortal sin at the time of your death.
Baptism forgives the sins at the time of Baptism, and the Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation forgives sins confessed to a Catholic priest.
Baptism is not just a symbol, as so many Evangelicals claim. According to the Bible, it is a marvelous grace—a great gift from God, which we do not deserve in the least and which washes away our sins, bestows upon us the Holy Spirit, grants us new life in Christ, and absorbs us into the Mystical Body of Christ, the Church. As even Martin Luther himself put it, baptism “works the forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and grants eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare”.
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