Posted on 04/23/2018 7:28:38 AM PDT by Salvation
A Romam Catholic priest disagrees with you.
It accords with the rest of Scripture which clearly and repeatedly forbids the consumption of blood.
If the Catholic interpretation is correct, God Himself is violating His own Law and precept. It’s a contradiction that Catholicism needs to explain, how God can forbid the consumption of blood and then go and demand that it be eaten.
If the meal is simply symbolic, a representation or ceremony of remembrance, then no such contradiction exists. Since it is not blood being consumed, there is no violation of the Law with communion being a meal of remembrance and showing the Lord’s death until He comes again.
His sacrifice remains effective always but isn’t happening always. It’s over and done with, finished, as JESUS Himself said.
That is correct. I don't have a problem with the priest.
It is all in the present: one Sacrifice, one singular sacrifice, unique, not repeated, made present.
That's the doctrine.
There is a world of difference --- in fact, there is an eternity of difference --- between "repeated" and "made present." You can disagree with it, but don't misrepresent it. We're not saying Christ's sacrifice is multiplied, done over and over again, we're saying it is in the eternal NOW, made present.
The very meaning of infinity and eternity, is that it can be present everywhere at every moment.
In dawdling pedestrian time, where I live, it is past 10:30 pm.
God bless you and your dear dears, especially the little ones.
Bedtime for Mrs Don-o.
Wrong.
Wrong. Your understanding of Him is failed.
Do you not understand transubstantiation?
When you were a Catholic, was their blood in the chalice or was it transubstantiated wine?
Oops.
**When you were a Catholic, was there blood in the chalice or was it transubstantiated wine?**
Fixed.
“Since baptism saves no one...”
“Baptism now saves you.” 1 Peter 3:21.
Ruh-roh.
As written in the NT.....it was the fruit of the vine. That’s what was in the cup.
I coordinated a double funeral on Saturday and as I was handing out Commumion a thirty ish man approached me, took his gum out of his mouth and asked what to do. I told him to put the gum back in his mouth because I figured he wasn’t Catholic and he said he wasn’t. It’s hard at a funeral to figure out who is and who isn’t it the way they approach the host is a clue.
“If the person professes faith in Christ, and only Christ, they are able to participate in communion.”
Strictly forbidden in a Catholic Church. Communion is only for those in full communion with the Catholic Church and in a state of grace.
Sorry.
A person who has faith in Christ is in a state of grace.....their sins are forgiven.
Why do you think the Jews in John 6 were so shocked, disgusted, offended with what Jesus said? Would they have been so flabbergasted if they thought He was making a point with a colorful simile? (Wooh, what a wordsmith.) Come on! They were outraged with Him replacing the dietary law with a banquet of His Body and Blood.
There's a lot about the abolition of the kosher laws in Acts, and about the realism of Jesus' Body and Blood which we are to eat and drink, in 1 Corinthians.
This is why Acts and the Epistles are essential to our understanding of New Testament worship.
One phrase out of a passage, does not doctrine make.
Peter is NOT talking about water baptism and he says so if you read the WHOLE verse.
1 Peter 3:18-22 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Plus, Catholics tell us that eating Jesus saves them. So which one is it?
And then we have Jesus here saying that it's believing that saves.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Don't the words of Jesus count more than anyone else's any more?
If Rome wants to continue to try and compare the sacrifice of Christ with the OT sacrifice, they will have to admit, though they don't, that blood was shed for the forgiveness of sin.
When Christ shed His blood on the Cross that was the sacrifice for our sin.
If the disciples believed as Rome claims that we are to eat/drink His flesh and blood they would have been at the Cross capturing His blood.
If they believed this Thomas had an opportunity to "drink" His blood when he put his fingers into His side.
There were more than ample opportunities for the disciples to have eaten/drunk His flesh and blood.
We have ZERO accounts of this ever happening. Rome's understanding of the texts are incorrect on this, and many other, matters.
The liquid in the cup is the fruit of the vine. As others have attested, it does not change into His blood as the person drinking the cup does not detect a change.
Rome's *interpretation* contradicts and violates Scripture.
And since we know that God cannot contradict Himself, we can know that their interpretation is wrong.
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
One of Monsignors Pope’s best IMO. Receiving Holy Communion unworthily will not forgive mortal sins not confessed. Then you are just committing another mortal sin of sacrilege. I’ve often wondered about people just going up and the relationship of people who do not believe in the Real Presence. If you are receiving unworthily you will not receive the grace and will feel no different. Hence it is good to have a good examination of conscience guide. Only once, when confessing a mortal sin the priest then asked if I had continued to receive Holy Communion. I assured him no. He was being thorough to make sure I had confessed everything. Monsighnor Pope is a treasure.
The Holy Spirit reiterated the prohibition against eating blood.
The prohibition against eating blood started BEFORE the Law and was reiterated after Jesus fulfilled it.
It stands outside the Law, unlike other aspects of the Law that no longer are required.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
A non-Catholic can’t go to Communion in a Catholic Church. I am speaking of a Catholic Church.
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