Posted on 05/11/2018 8:40:34 AM PDT by Lera
“The seven trumpets are not the Revelation signal.”
Says who?
Says the rest of The Word you apparently don’t want to consider so you are not challenged to look closer at the coming events. Here is one clue: the Revelation tells of people at the throne who have been killed during the Tribulation, beheaded in fact; these are not the Bride but they are in Heaven awaiting an event to avenge their murder; the Bride returns with Jesus at the end of the Tribulation, and the Revelation describes that event clearly, which sets it apart from the event Paul describes in 1 Thess 4 :13-17.
The comm I get says that Christians are supposed to be bringing the Gospel of Christ to unbelievers. Anything else is “off mission”.
“these are not the Bride..they are in heaven”
Who says?
As it was in the days of Noah,,and in the days of Lot...
The wicked were taken, not the righteous.
Have to go to work now, would rather keep reading FR...ha.
Yes, there are 7 trumps and Christ returns at the sounding of the last trump. Not before.
The body of believers, the Ekklesia, the Church, they have the mission to unto the whole world sharing the Gospel of God's Grace. When the CHURCH is removed, then begins the pouring out of His wrath as opposite His Grace.
During the Great Tribulation a number so great no man could count them in John's day will be defined as Tribulation Saints, for they will come out of the Great Tribulation and be in Heaven. Incidentally, John could count to two hundred million, so the number who are transported from earth to Heaven (by the Spirit) during the Great Tribulation will be larger than that number.
The Gospel of Christ is The Grace of God via the Lamb of God. As members born from above by His Spirit, we are now, this day to be sharing that GRACE. During the Tribulation the message will be 'Turn away from the antichrist and his lies and wonders because JESUS is returning to this planet in exactly _____ number of days, to deal mightily with this evil now revealed. That is not the message of Grace. That is announcing the coming doom and destruction of the evil one and his minions and any who take the mark of the beast.
Read Noah and Lot’s story more carefully. In both cases, the chosen by GOD were saved from the wrath. The CHURCH which is the body of believers across time are the chosen who will be removed from the wrath. It is not a laughing matter, dude/dudette. It is impending catastrophe for those note removed, removed so that the man of sin is revealed. Lot was removed BEFORE S&G were destroyed. Noah entered the Ark BEFORE the flood came. The removal of His Church comes BEFORE the seven years of Tribulation and Great Tribulation. Chapter Four of the Revelation begins with ‘Come up hither”; the Church, the Ekklesia, is mentioned 19 times on Earth in chapters one through three. Following the call to come up hither it is not again mentioned regarding the Earth until fifteen chapters later.
God says “come up hithe”r to the two dead witnesses who are killed 3.5 years into the Beast’s reign by the Beast himself! Might the church go with them?...Midtribbers/post Beast reveal church rapturists say yes....! (Cue Wild Haired ancient aliens guy and eerie music)
Brother man, you know I love you. But, never forget: “No one knows, however, when that day and hour will come—neither the angels in heaven nor the Son; the Father alone knows.”
1. Donald.
2. Ivana.
3. Donald Jr.
That's three, anyways.
Eric, Barron and Melania. We only need ONE more!
Yes, bro, one of the main reasons the Rapture happens suddenly. Once that event is seared into the Jewish mind, they have the clues to the exact day and hour He will be coming to Earth (not in the clouds, but setting foot on the earth). The setting foot event is hallmarked by many data points showing exactly when He will set foot on Earth. For the Rapture, no man has been given any clue to the exact day and hour.
Sequence is He descends from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Ark Angel, and the Trump of God ... the dead whose souls have been in Heaven with The Lord (absent from the body is to be present with the Lord) God is bringing with him. They get new bodies then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them into the clouds, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR, not upon the Earth.
In John 14 Jesus tells us He will return to take us to the Father's House, not to the battlefield Earth. Yet we do descend from Heaven with The Lord Christ at the end of the Great Tribulation.
If you choose to believe it that way, so be it. That event, rapturing the two witnesses to Heaven is the repeat of a process done many times in the Bible. Rapture is found in the Old Testament also, with Enoch, and ... well you get the gist. The removal of the message of Grace coming from the Church is removed so the man of sin can be revealed and take power. The calling those two away is one of the most powerful signs to the 120,000 Jewish evangelists that Messiah will be setting foot on Earth in exactly ___ number of days from that event.
13And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, that ye may not sorrow, as also the rest who have not hope, 14for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him, 15for this to you we say in the word of the Lord, that we who are living — who do remain over to the presence of the Lord — may not precede those asleep, 16because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, 17then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be; 18so, then, comfort ye one another in these words. (1Thess4)
The seven trumpets are not the RAPTURE SIGNAL. Better? My typo
I believe in a coming rapture and Jesus’ words in Matthew 24-25 were a very big clue! The Restrainer however in Thessalonians may not be what many think it is...that is, maybe nit corporate body of believers on the Earth, but some other dynamic Godly entity. Revelation speaks of many believers under stress during at least part of the Beast’s reign....now that might be the church, but getting some supernatural help from the two witnesses who for 3.5 years crimp the plans of the Beast or they could be “left behind saints” also helped by the 144 thousand witnesses that the Beast system can’t even touch. I put all the scriptures together and a very dynamic “tit for tat” picture occurs reminding one of Moses and God’s dealings with Pharoah and Egypt thru Moses and Aaron(another 2 witnesses type if you will!) Sometime from before the first 3.5 years to the middle of the 7 years is my personal belief.
As God said to Jesus when he asked his father to “Glorify thy name”...the Father replied...”I have glorified it and I will glorify it again!”
Peace to you...!
1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
Matthew 13:36 Then Yeshua sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Iyob 38:1 Then YHVH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of ELoHIM shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, When it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb; 9 When I made clouds the garment thereof, And thick darkness a swaddling-band for it,
10 And marked out for it my bound, And set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further; And here shall thy proud waves be stayed? 12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days began,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It is changed as clay under the seal; And all things stand forth as a garment:
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, And the high arm is broken.
Enoch 1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.
Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it?
And the Lord's Prayer says, Your kingdom come... not your kingdom run...
Buckle up, cuz the ride just gets wilder!
John Lennon
Spending time on such zero-outcome frivolity prevents us from following Jesus's last command: "Go ye therefore and teach all nations...", causing the destruction of those souls who have not yet heard of Salvation through Christ alone.
Absurd assertion. Look at what Paul taught new Christians and by inference helped to bring even more to The Lord Christ. Believing or not believing in The Rapture of The believers will not save or doom you. But the event is drawing near. Warning those on the fence is a worthwhile endeavor.
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