Posted on 08/23/2018 10:29:17 AM PDT by Perseverando
Please see comment 20. Part of that was addressed to you but I forgot to put your name in the “to” line.
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Born again means only the conversion to an incorruptible body. (thus the ability to travel invisibly through the material universe as stated in John 3)
This conversion is salvation, and without it we would be burned up when the material universe is destroyed “for no place was found for it.”
Nobody is guaranteed anything until they have endured in covenant, as Yeshua stated in Matthew 7, to their end.
This is not what “born again” means to evangelicals, but as I said you have to be it to believe it.
Usually, people are brought to a low point in their life because of their sins, and turn to the Bible as a last resort, or someone leads them there. Something in their life was not working; they were making a mistake.
It happens to others too, but I think maybe not as dramatically? But it’s all the same thing. The pursuits of the past are just that: PAST.
“Evangelicals” have no more idea what the word of Yehova says than an earthworm.
No one can “be it” until the appointed day!
Take your blinders off and read the word.
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Two different versions of what it means.
Nobody has blinders on. That would be willful disobedience.
I’ll only say that you might want to ask the Lord what it means. I’m not interested in proving myself correct.
Yeshua told us what it means.
What your nicolaitan says it means is worthless when the day comes.
You have massive blinders on.
Is it necessary to be born again if you don't have such a "low point"? I mean, we all sin, but some quickly learn and keep their lives generally on the right path. It would seem that in those cases, there is no need to be born again.
Not looking for an argument, just curious about the concept.
Yes. And it changes your life in either case. I was at a low point. I had a friend who was studying piano and she was distressed by all the competitiveness. She saw something wrong in being so caught up in it. Someone brought her around to the truth. Her only competition then was with herself, to be a better follower each day than she was the day before. Another friend was running through boyfriend after boyfriend. She now calls herself a born-again Catholic.
Both of these occurred on the West Coast and were described as being life-changing in a huge way. People seem to be a little more free about sharing the Gospel out there. I was sitting under a tree reading Teilhard on the U. of Arizona campus sometime in the early ‘70s and a kid just walked by me and said, “Jesus loves you.” I thought wow this is some kind of a place.
It would be interesting to read different people’s experiences, in a book or an online thread, with some kind of wrap-up of the data. I’m sure there must be stuff out there.
I read a book several years ago by a reporter who went around to report on the evangelicals. At the end of the book he went back to NYC and stopped in at Trinity Church, the historical church on Wall Street. He had never gone in and that time he did. And the choir was singing the exact same song he had heard the evangelicals sing. (I wish I could remember which one it was. Gave the book to my born-again Catholic friend.) He never says he converted, but he hints at it by closing the book that way.
Just read your post again, and I have to say there must be people who have always given their hearts to Jesus in the way that born-again people do but without a born-again experience. The lucky ones! The ones who drew the lucky straw in their upbringing.
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Catholics are “born again” when they are baptized.
I remember back in the ‘60s or ‘70s learning that they had changed the definition to closer to what it really was: the entering and welcoming of the child into a Christian community. Maybe it has changed again. I never heard it described as being born again.
By the way, when I was in relearning classes at St. Patrick’s (because I had missed the Vatican II changes), someone asked if an unbaptized child went to heaven or to someplace called limbo.
The priest said that if he were counseling someone who had lost a baby, he would tell them the baby was in heaven.
The priest said that if he were counseling someone who had lost a baby, he would tell them the baby was in heaven.
Unfortunately, I know first-hand that this is current Church teaching for Catholics. Our first was still-born at 35 weeks and, as the priest put it, the baby was baptized in the waters of the womb.
I wondered if the sacrament of Confirmation isn’t closer to the “born again” experience for evangelicals. That’s why I had asked about it. For us it is a re-commitment to Christ.
So, they should just keep their mouth shut after being molested? Just let it continue? Go along to get along and "who are we to judge" are two easy paths to hell.
My sarcasm is so sophisticated people think I’m ignorant.
We are born again at Baptism, again at Confirmation, and yearly at the renewal of vows. Anything else is parsing.
It’s like a bar mitzvah. Mine was very significant to me.
Not like being born-again, though.
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