The Birth of Jesus and the Day of Trumpets... Jesus Born on September 11th

Associates for Scriptural Knowledge ^ | 2017 | A.S.K

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I personally didn’t come up with the date; I just believe it because so many anti Christ incidents have occurred on this day...

Benghazi 2012. 2008 financial meltdown. HW Bush’s NWO 1990 speech

Captain Morgan murdered... etc., etc., etc.

[Rashputin]

Cancel Christmas because it’s Christian, or cancel Christmas because it’s pagan. Dunces be dunces whichever side of the cancel Christmas coin they’re on.

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Jesus meets people where they are at; it’s not to say it doesn’t matter what day He was born, what matters is that God always wants us to have a mind to seek out the Truth no matter what.

(This is part of the reason He gives us the most powerful gift of Free Will.)

If September 11th is the real day Jesus was born, He wants us to do the research and figure it out.

“It is to the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But to the glory of Kings to reveal it.”

We are to exercise our royal or heavenly authority and seek out the truth of a matter, not act like dumb sheep, just going along to get along.

God expects Christians to seek out Truth, because there is ultimate Truth to be found; and once we find it, we also will find the “joy of the Lord, which is our strength” as we marvel at the awesomeness of our God.

This is in stark contrast to nostalgic sentimental Americana regarding how Christmas was once celebrated, or appeared to have been celebrated.

Jesus is not a Hallmark Card icon. He is the Holy One of Israel, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords who was pierced for our transgressions and died an awful, humiliating and tormenting death for our sakes.

This does not mean we are to poo-poo Christmas in December; we are to first marvel and research at whether or not September 11th makes sense in the Word about His birth, and then spread the good and powerful news one person at a time, if we are ourselves convinced.

That is the proper, “Berean” response to this Sept. 11/Christ’s true birthday information, as we would be exercising our free will and seeking out the Truth of a matter, as we are supposed to do.

[60Gunner]

I don't care when Jesus was born; I rejoice because He was born.

Theologians are generally too distracted with petty details to see the most important thing. They don't care that Jesus stands at the door and knocks; they argue about the wood from which the door was made.

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True, but we are to seek out the Truth of a matter as Bereans.

[Dixie Yooper]

I got as far as B.C.E....

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I’ve read other articles on whether this is Christ’s real birthday; so B.C.E. matters not.

[Cvengr]

mark

[weston]

I stopped at. “B.C.E.”.
No Christian would phrase it that way.

You are correct.
BCE = Before Common Era.
BC = Before Christ

[Campion]

there would be no way Joseph and Mary would have been comfortable traveling in the depths of winter to Bethlehem

Except, according to the Bible, they didn't have a choice. I think we can safely assume that neither Caesar Augustus nor his governor, Quirinius, cared whether a Galilean carpenter and his pregnant teenage wife were "comfortable".

[Toughluck_freeper]

My understanding is that Joseph and Mary made the trip to Jerusalem when Jesus was about to be born, but could not find lodging because of the Passover festivities, basically all the hotels where booked.

So the stayed in the outskirts of town in Bethlehem.

This means that Jesus was born more or less on April 3.

I also read that in the early church there was a difference of opinion as to the date of his ‘birth’. Some said it was the physical birth, some said it was the ‘conception’, and that the actual birth happened nine months later. The later idea won out, they calculated nine months from the date they had and came up with December 25th which is what we remember today.

So, December 25th minus 38 weeks gives... April 3rd.

Also the herders were out in the fields with their flocks which supposedly would not happen in September.

Sad, apparently he died right around his birthday. I also think there are verses referring to that, being born the sacrificial lamb of the world etc (he died almost to the hour at which the sacrificial lambs were killed in Passover)

[Ezekiel]

Fact: the text does not give the birth date. Every theory is an opinion, conjecture.

Fact: the Scripture on the whole paints a picture in which those who are full of their own knowledge, reasoning skills and power have their a$$es handed to them. Pharaoh, Haman, Jezebel just to name a few. Often these folks were tripped up by their very own plots and decrees. Total humiliation. Everything going horribly wrong. A 180 flip from expectations and assumptions, just like with the last presidential election.

If the date could be deduced from the information provided, the answers would not be all over the map. From above, the view [of the longstanding birthdate debates] is of a bunch of people squabbling and duking it out over human theories, instead of accepting the variety of information without forcing a conclusion. As long as people are drawing conclusions, I'd offer that *that* is the reason the date wasn't spelled out... to see whose going to insist that his own opinions are the absolute truth. Some may even insult their fellow man in the process and call him ignorant, or whatever.

Another fact is that Christmas (the holiday) is in December, regardless of the actual birth date of the Messiah. Christmas and December are inseparable times and seasons, meaning that noone has to point out that Christmas is in December, on the 25th. The whole world knows the date, same as it knows that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

So back to the idea of flipped over outcomes...

There's a particular extreme of seasons, appearances, and activities between summer and winter: days at the beach to enjoy the warm sunshine, verses days huddled around the wood stove to endure the long cold snaps. Green grass and flower gardens, verses desolate snowscapes. Obviously opposite visuals.

People love to play off of opposites, so right in the middle of summer, to mix it all up and boost sales, clear inventory, or to stand way out from the usual seasonal offerings and activities, businesses advertise with these sorts of messages:

Of course, being the middle of July, when noone is even thinking about Christmas, much less associating Christmas with July, the signs have to point it out plainly. "Christmas in July". Otherwise nobody would suspect.

Deliberate irony. Some people have no sense of humor.

[sportutegrl]

Yesterday, Free Republic said that Jesus was born in 4 B.C.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3686383/posts

[vpintheak]

From what I have learned in the past, BCE is what atheist use instead of BC. To them, BCE means Before Common Era.

[Ezekiel]

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When Was The “Last Trump”?

The matter does not stop there.

Each of the Jewish months was officially introduced by the blowing of trumpets (Numbers 10:10).

Since the festival year in which all the Mosaic festivals were found was seven months long, the last month (Tishri) was the last month for a festival trumpet.

This is one of the reasons that the day was called “the Day of Trumpets.”

The last trump in the seven months’ series was always sounded on this New Moon day. This made it the final trumpets’ day (Leviticus 23:24; Numbers 29:1). <<<

 

Well okay, but fall is also the time of year when the spring bulbs are planted. Such as: Narcissus

Narcissus is a genus of predominantly spring perennial plants of the Amaryllidaceae (amaryllis) family. Various common names including daffodil,[Note 1] daffadowndilly,[3] narcissus and jonquil are used to describe all or some members of the genus. Narcissus has conspicuous flowers with six petal-like tepals surmounted by a cup- or trumpet-shaped corona. The flowers are generally white or yellow (also orange or pink in garden varieties), with either uniform or contrasting coloured tepals and corona.

Narcissus were well known in ancient civilisation, both medicinally and botanically, but formally described by Linnaeus in his Species Plantarum (1753). The genus is generally considered to have about ten sections with approximately 50 species. The number of species has varied, depending on how they are classified, due to similarity between species and hybridisation. The genus arose some time in the Late Oligocene to Early Miocene epochs, in the Iberian peninsula and adjacent areas of southwest Europe. The exact origin of the name Narcissus is unknown, but it is often linked to a Greek word for intoxicated (narcotic) and the myth of the youth of that name who fell in love with his own reflection. The English word "daffodil" appears to be derived from "asphodel", with which it was commonly compared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(plant)

Now when considering the whole planting and planning scheme, timing is everything. Bulbs have widely different bloom times over the course of the spring, so it's important to pay attention to the details in order to get it right. If a gardener intends a lovely display of red tulips interspersed with yellow daffodils, the bloom times need to be coordinated. Early narsissus planted with late tulips = fail.

That's why at this time of year, such information is in plain sight in the store displays, right on the packages so that we know: early spring, mid spring, late spring.

So if I were looking for the latest blooming daffodil, the "last trump" so to speak, in order to maximize my color display into early summer, I'd want to choose the correct variety. I'd really want to seek out a "late bloomer."

Turns out there is one particular old-timer not generally available in stores, known for appearing even as late as June:

Twin Sisters

Narcissus ×medioluteus (syn. Narcissus biflorus), common names Primrose-peerless, April Beauty, Cemetery Ladies, Loving Couples, Pale Narcissus, Twin Sisters, Two-flowered Narcissus, is a flowering plant, which is a naturally occurring hybrid between Narcissus poeticus and Narcissus tazetta (informally called "poetaz hybrid"). It was found initially in the West of France.

This first poetaz narcissus has long been grown as a garden ornamental and has also become naturalised in Great Britain, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, the former Yugoslavia, Madeira, New Zealand, and in scattered locales in the eastern United States (Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia).[1][2]

The flowers are generally held in pairs, hence the common names "Twin Sisters" and "Loving Couples". The fragrant cream flowers (medioluteus) are smaller than those of Narcissus poeticus. The cup lacks a red edge.[3]

Narcissus × medioluteus

To break that down even further, there's the twin sister who is the elder, and one who is the younger. Hence the late bloomer of the pair - the very last of last trumps - is going to be the second twin. Simple meaning.

I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud

By William Wordsworth

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed—and gazed—but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

The Book of Jasher
Chapter 28

28 And the Lord afterward remembered Adinah (עדינה ) the wife of Laban, and she conceived and bare twin daughters, and Laban called the names of his daughters, the name of the elder Leah, and the name of the younger Rachel.
29 And those people came and told these things to Rebecca, and Rebecca rejoiced greatly that the Lord had visited her brother and that he had got children.

A shir (shiur) and the Redemption:

שיר

A song, or a poem.

In gardening terminology, the last trump is the late bloomer. Twin sisters, cemetary ladies... info rains down from outside the system.

Though April showers may come your way,

They bring the flowers that bloom in May.

So if it's raining, have no regrets,

Because it isn't raining rain you know, it's raining violets.

Rainy seasons. It's a flood. :)

The identity of the dudaim ("mandrakes") is another one of those mysteries. People debate over the genus and species. Same with theologians trying to figure out what Laban's idols were. Something. Nobody knows. The fact in the plain text, though, is that Rachel sat on them.

to "sit on something" (idiom): to hold someone or something back; to delay someone or something

The "manner" of women? Well just read any FR thread when the guys (especially the divorced ones) start in about the way women act, always up to something clever, sneaky.

Genesis 31:34-35 Now Rachel had taken the images, and put them in the camel's furniture, and sat upon them. And Laban searched all the tent, but found them not. 35 And she said to her father, Let it not displease my lord that I cannot rise up before thee; for the custom of women is upon me. And he searched, but found not the images.

It's too much! Any wonder why Rachel was Jacob's soulmate?

The last trump. A trump is a victory through superior strategy, ingenuity - the last thing anyone expects.

Sow the seeds of victory.

[Uri’el-2012]

Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)

I start by reading John 1:14 under the illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.

John 1:14 And the WORD became flesh,
and [fn]dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory,
glory as of the only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.

[fn](1:14) Or, tabernacled; i.e. lived temporarily

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

The word for Tabernacle, mishkan, is a derivative of the
same root and is used in the sense of dwelling-place in the Bible

The verse also provides illumination as to
Yah'shua being the Shekhinah glory.

Shekhinah means the dwelling or settling, and denotes the dwelling
or settling of the divine presence of God, especially in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Here is a very visual source:
Jesus' date of birth

Just based on scripture.

Again the first clue to the birth of Yah'shua is John 1:14 as cited above.

Important events in the life of Yah'shua occurred
on YHvH commanded Feast days as metaphors of the feast.

Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)
Born on the Feast of Tabernacles.(John 1:14)
Circumcised on the Feast of Simchat Torah ( Joy of the WORD)
Bread and wine of the Pesach.
Death as the Lamb of G-d on Hag Matzoh.
Rising on the Feast of First Fruits.
Sending the Ru'ach HaKodesh on the Feast of Shavuot(Pentecost).

Who knows if the final trump will occur on the Feast of Trumpets

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[amorphous]

Thank you. Excellent post! For others, when you really dive into the dates, having thoroughly researched them, including the timing of Crucifixion/Resurrection, Divine orchestration is clearly evident.

[amorphous]

We are to exercise our royal or heavenly authority and seek out the truth of a matter, not act like dumb sheep, just going along to get along.

Well said.

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Oh. Thanks.

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Well, as Christians, we understand that He could only have been born on one specific day, in one specific year.

So it’s up to us to do the hard homework and figure it out, according to the Word.