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The Birth of Jesus and the Day of Trumpets... Jesus Born on September 11th
Associates for Scriptural Knowledge ^ | 2017 | A.S.K

Posted on 09/10/2018 10:03:09 PM PDT by Sontagged

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To: af_vet_1981
From the source you've quoted from:

"Easter and the holidays that are related to it are moveable feasts which do not fall on a fixed date in the Gregorian or Julian calendars which follow only the cycle of the sun; rather, its date is determined on a lunisolar calendar similar to the Hebrew calendar. The First Council of Nicaea (325) established two rules, independence of the Jewish calendar and worldwide uniformity, which were the only rules for Easter explicitly laid down by the council. No details for the computation were specified; these were worked out in practice, a process that took centuries and generated a number of controversies. It has come to be the first Sunday after the ecclesiastical full moon that occurs on or soonest after 21 March,[11] but calculations vary."

First, the author is being a bit deceptive -

"Easter and the holidays that are related to it are moveable feasts which do not fall on a fixed date in the Gregorian or Julian calendars which follow only the cycle of the sun"

He/she then goes on to say, at the bottom of the paragraph above, the following -

" It has come to be the first Sunday after the ecclesiastical full moon that occurs on or soonest after 21 March,[11] but calculations vary."

Okay, so it's still directly tied to 21 March, the spring equinox! This is the time of the Ishtar/Inanna pagan celebrations.

And this -

"The First Council of Nicaea [In the year 325] established two rules, independence of the Jewish calendar and worldwide uniformity, which were the only rules for Easter explicitly laid down by the council. No details for the computation were specified; these were worked"

Therefore, the Jewish Hebrew calendar is the Almighty's calendar (read the Word), and the Council of Nicaea established a man-made calendar in the year 325.

Btw, which calendar do you suppose will be used after the second coming?

Remember Daniel 7 -

"‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time."

Yeshua made a number of special arrangements for those who believe in him. One arrangement, of many, was the grafting in of His followers to the Hebrew root, who all follow the Almighty's calendar!

IMO, what you believe is one's own business (IIRC, Paul talks about this), and I don't feel it's a big deal which day one observes, provided you don't know any better. For surly we've inherited lies...

101 posted on 09/22/2018 10:44:27 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous
Btw, which calendar do you suppose will be used after the second coming?

A new calendar

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

...

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


Galatians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses nine to twelve,
Revelation, Catholic chapter twenty one, Protestant verses one to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

102 posted on 09/22/2018 3:42:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; amorphous
A new calendar

The Feast of Booths (known to some as the ... Also known as Sukkot in Hebrew,
God wanted the Israelites to observe this ... The fulfillment of this great
festival is spoken of in Revelation 21:3,

Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
103 posted on 09/22/2018 4:53:18 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: af_vet_1981; UriÂ’el-2012
A new calendar

It will be new to many.

" And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. "

This Revelation prophecy concerns the times after the 1,000 year reign of Yeshua.

The writings of Paul sometimes seem contradictory. They are complex and not as simple to understand as they first appear. One of the problems is that we don't often take into consideration who he is writing/talking to. We assume he is speaking to us as well. So, context is paramount to understanding Paul.

When I have problems understanding one of Paul's writings, I try to reconcile the words with the Words of the Almighty and Yeshua. If I can't, I go with the words of the latter.

An example: What does "for ever" mean? For one, it depends upon who actually said it. Second, could heaven and earth passing away end "for ever"? Or, does "for ever" carry over into the new heaven and earth?

Lot's of complex questions and no definitive answers. At least not yet - though we are promised more will be revealed at the Second Coming.

104 posted on 09/23/2018 12:26:11 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous; af_vet_1981; All
Sukkot( Booths; Tabernacles) begins this evening at sundown.

Metaphors reveal prophesy.
Yah'shua is transliterated as Joshua.
Yah'shua's actions in Revelation
are foreshowed by the book of Joshua.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

105 posted on 09/23/2018 5:15:40 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; af_vet_1981; Sontagged; chuckles; All
I read the urgency in your post, and agree that sooner or later, a Sukkot will hold particular significance. I use a calendar put together by a group of Karaite Jews. This year, the actual sighting of the new moon in Jerusalem occurred one day later, according to their observations - they also grow their own barley for telling the season - so they're not leaving anything to chance. This puts the start of Sukkot tomorrow evening at sundown.

https://aroodawakening.tv/wp-content/uploads/7th-month-1.pdf

Thank you! May YaHoVaH bless you and keep you, and yours, safe!

106 posted on 09/23/2018 10:06:52 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous; af_vet_1981; Sontagged; chuckles; All
I would use great discernment
with any of the writings of
Michael Rood.

He is not who he
presents himself to be.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

107 posted on 09/24/2018 7:07:03 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I feel the same way about the false prophecies of Jonathan Cain... what garbage all that stuff was a few years ago.


108 posted on 09/24/2018 8:19:52 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Cahn


109 posted on 09/24/2018 8:20:14 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I'm sorry you feel that way. Great discernment is good advice however.

Here is another source for when the new moon was sighted in Israel, from a group on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/764679230301674/permalink/1380667212036203/

110 posted on 09/25/2018 9:29:43 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: Sontagged; All
I feel the same way about the false prophecies
of Jonathan Cain... {sp(Jonathan Cahn) what garbage all that stuff was a few years ago.

Odd; that you would call him a False Prophet.

As he never claimed to be a Prophet.

He discussed Biblical metaphors in arrears.
Thus identifying the integrity of the WORD !

Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
111 posted on 09/25/2018 12:10:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

None of it made sense. Sort of N.A.R. claptrap.


112 posted on 09/25/2018 12:16:38 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Remember, Jesus warns us strongly against deception in the Church in these last days... false prophets are synonymous with false teachers... or those who preach out of the sin of Simony...


113 posted on 09/25/2018 12:43:19 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Sontagged
The False Prophet of End Time is Francis

You follow him at your peril.

Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

114 posted on 09/25/2018 12:56:04 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Yes, and if we cannot discern false teaching or false prophecy now, we will not be able to discern the False Prophet or counterfeit teachings of his Anti Christ.


115 posted on 09/25/2018 1:06:02 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Sontagged
Yes, and if we cannot discern false teaching or false prophecy now, we will not be able to discern the False Prophet or counterfeit teachings of his Anti Christ.

My guess for the AC is the husk of BHO
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
116 posted on 09/25/2018 1:10:21 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sontagged
None of it made sense. Sort of N.A.R. claptrap.

Perhaps this thought:

Prophesy to the Greek is prediction.

Prophesy to the Hebrew mind is pattern or metaphor.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
117 posted on 09/25/2018 1:21:29 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sontagged

Mildly interesting I suppose but I’ll go with what has been historically believed by Christians throughout centuries; don’t see a reason to change. It’s not like there are any dates in the Bible. So history is all we can go by.

And we can see historically that the Annunciation (to Mary) was celebrated on March 25, exactly 9 months before December 25, for hundreds of years really the earliest observance in the second or third centuries.

Christmas, as an observed holiday in the Church didn’t come until later actually, probably the 3rd or 4th centuries (IIRC) but it was paradoxically determined and set based (at least partially) on the tradition of celebrating the Annunciation on March 25. And of course also to supplant and therefore suppress the pagan celebrations for the winter solstice at the time.

So, we have Christians celebrating His birth on December 25 for nearly 2,000 years and one of the main reasons because of the very early, ancient tradition celebrating the Annunciation to Mary on March 25. So we have that, or we have speculations and calculations from some guy (or guys) in modern times, who never knew people from ancient times personally (like the ancient people from the 2nd, 3rd century *did*), who say otherwise.

Yeah I’m gonna go with a tradition that can trace its roots back to the first believers. Or at least the students of the first believers.

Instead of some modern group with no real connection to the historical past.

Besides, it’s not in the Bible so it doesn’t really “count” right?


118 posted on 09/25/2018 1:54:42 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Sontagged; chuckles
May be of interest: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3696750/posts

BEYOND THE HARBINGER

One of the more logical interpretations of eschatological prophecy centering around Islam as the beast.

119 posted on 10/15/2018 9:40:32 AM PDT by amorphous
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