Posted on 10/09/2018 9:41:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Ally, you are the one who failed, not the church. You ARE the church. Or should I say you were the church. You were supposed to make the right choices. You were supposed to reach out to your 16 year old sister when she became pregnant. The church is not some third person entity that you can blame. The church is you!
JoMa
Yikes!!! I see what she means. I’m pretty conservative. Well, completely conservative....
But Damn! The responses on here proved her point and you dont even see it. Try reading it again and wonder if she doesn’t have some good points.
I love conservatives and cant see myself as anything else but y’all. Your reactions to this story is hard to defend. Flame away, I can take it.
The typical response today is probably “Where does a church that coddles Archbishop McCarrick get off judging ME?”
I fear too much of the author’s intent is really just to soften the stance against abortion, period.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Whadda we have for him Johnny!
You are most certainly correct. This looks like an attempt to just weaken the Church’s timeless principle on the sanctity of life. The Church stands for those unborn because they have no voice to cry out in their own defense.
I think you miss the point....
and may perhaps be an example of it at the same time.
If someone finds themselves in a difficult situation, and they are a believer, and they believe you cannot reach out to their church for help.... then, yea, there is a BIG problem there.
She is absolutely correct that Abortions largely happen because there is a breakdown.... if a woman, regardless of the circumstances, cannot expect support, but simply judgement, then those choosing judgement are not living the faith they claim to believe.
Correct.
If Ally found herself being judged and uncomfortable in church; it was likely due to a great number of her poor choices (sins).
Not just having an abortion.
Its no different than homos who demand to be accepted in churches despite their open and militant lifestyle.
Just like Jesus forgave the adulteress, and multitude of other sinners, so does he forgive us. The shame a Christian girl endures when unmarried and pregnant is heartbreaking. Her need for Christ and the loving guidance of others can make the difference of several lost or reborn souls and lives.
The church needs to stand with and support unwed and pregnant young women through their entire pregnancy. At birth, the unexpected child should immediately be adopted by willing and loving parents who can and will provide a Christian home for the child. Churches need to be involved.
A a close friend is an elder in a Southern Baptist Church. His teenage daughter became pregnant, went full term, and the child was adopted out. That their church stood by them completely was a great thing for my friends entire family and the teenage mom, for the church itself, and of course, by the baby whose life was saved.
No remorse, no repentance, no forgiveness. The real shame is that the murder of babies is excused and the principals involved do not fall on their faces and knees weeping with remorse.
Uh ...sin is committed.....forgiveness is committed.....volitional acts....life sucks when you disobey God’s laws...God grants forgiveness but the ramifications of the sins may remain
...God doesn’t necessarily cure herpes for instance...or remove an unplanned human from the memory or the earth...
Sad but true facts.
yup. of the several girls i knew in highschool, who had abortions- it was b/c their parents could not have the social stigma of an unwed pregnancy.
My post only mentioned pregnancy, not abortion. It is important however, to be a resource of guidance so abortion never is considered.
That’s the point this author is making... she watched her sister judged, and didn’t even consider turning to the church when she found herself in trouble and had an abortion...
If a believer does not believe they can expect support from the church, the church is failing... not only as a church in the broad sense, but in simply living up to its own teachings.
It seems there are vast amounts of people out there who are itching to kill babies.
That’s troubling. Why does Abortion even occur to pregnant women ? Like, why is that even on the table?
That’s like skipping lunch and immediately starting to look for another person to eat. When I’m hungry the thought of eating another person doesn’t even enter my mind.
What would make someone get this news that they are pregnant, and then to even have the thought of killing a baby even approach their minds? Sickness.
P.S. I remember reading About how the angels rejoice when a sinner turns their life around and comes back to Jesus. It is not to condone the sin. But to save the sinner that is repentant.
My daughter was raised in church, stayed away from drinking and drugs, was given the talk by her mom and we were strict with her dates. However she ended up pregnant at 17. She began dating a boy who was a year younger than her and we insisted they come to our house, church or out to dinner with us. One day during the long Thanksgiving weekend she asked to go visit his family. The first question we asked all parties who is there? Even talked with his guardians, his grandparents, sure we will be there the whole time.
Well it turns out while she was there the grandfather was at work and the grandmother intentionally left to run errands and nature took it’s course, we accidentally found this out during the babies birth when the grandmother was popping her mouth off in the waiting room to another member of her family. Sadly the baby’s father is a deadbeat and uses the baby for show and tell and then hands him to his grandmother when he see’s the baby. That is an ongoing mess, which I ask for prayers daily.
My daughter was ashamed to tell us and the family but eventually we found out from the boys grandmother. It about killed me, I was ashamed, angry at her, angry because I had failed her I thought. Me and her were always close but I let her know how disappointed I was because of her behavior and it was wrong and now she was about to grow up fast because she was going to be a mom and all that goes with it. When her friends go off to a concert or ballgame, she wasn’t ditching the baby with us, you are about to bear the responsibility of being a parent and I said your childhood just ended with your poor decisions. She was scared and ashamed but I told her me and her Mom would be there to get through this and we loved her but we would not condone her behavior.
Our church slowly found out, there were a few who sat in judgement but mainly kept it too themselves. Most members were like us, not condoning the behavior but wanted to help her and the baby and were supportive. Many gave or bought her items for the baby over the months and now at church many members see her and the baby walk in and they rush to hold the little guy. Our church is not liberal by any means, the pastor and deacons are traditional and conservative and they have also behaved as Christ commanded, loving the sinner and not the sin and showing love to the innocent baby.
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