Pedophilia Isn’t The Main Problem With Catholic Priests, Homosexuality Is

http://thefederalist.com ^ | September 28, 2018 | Maureen Mullarkey

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[Mark17]

And now?

MUCH cleaner now bro. Much cleaner. I always like to say, as a born again Christian, who happily has total, complete assurance of salvation, I am not what I should be. I am not even what I could be, but praise God, I am not what I used to be, when I was a catholic. I enjoy committing the sin of presumption. If you don’t, I don’t see where that is my problem. You should try it, you will like it, but ultimately, that’s on you bro. 😇

[af_vet_1981]

MUCH cleaner now bro. Much cleaner. I always like to say, as a born again Christian, who happily has total, complete assurance of salvation, I am not what I should be.

In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses one to five ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Mark17]

As usual, you post scripture. Nothing wrong with that, except you seem to be a random scripture generator. You rarely, give any interpretation of it, and rarely is it germane to the subject at hand. Oh, I forgot, when I was a catholic, so MANY decades ago, I was always told I needed a priest, to interpret scripture for me. You should too, unless you are one of those dudes, who goes around saying that you don’t interpret scripture, you just read it, and tell me what it says. Are you one of those?
As for me, I was a totally rebellious catholic. I didn’t like priests, not even a little bit. When they told me I needed them to interpret scripture, that was like holding a red cape in front of a bull. I read the Bible, and interpreted it for myself, just to torque their jaws. I am glad I did, it brought me to my love for the sin of presumption. If you don’t want assurance of salvation, and don’t want to commit that wonderful sin, that’s on you bro, but I am ok with it. 😁😇😂

[Luircin]

As usual, you post scripture. Nothing wrong with that, except you seem to be a random scripture generator. You rarely, give any interpretation of it, and rarely is it germane to the subject at hand.

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Probably assuming that you believe that you’re allowed to sin however much you like and then trying to argue against that strawman. That’s been my experience at least.

How he can constantly do that and then accuse others of mind-reading is anyone’s guess.

[af_vet_1981]

As usual, you post scripture. Nothing wrong with that, except ...

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Hebrews, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses eleven to thirteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

I read the Bible, and interpreted it for myself, ...

To Whom is the Messiah referring when He told the people to fear in that posted passage from Luke ?

If anyone wants assurance of salvation he needs to do this to never fall:

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Second Peter, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Luircin]

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

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It’s pretty obvious that Peter is speaking to people who already HAVE salvation because of the promises of God.

Your first Pope doesn’t like your Roman theology.

And since you like Hebrews so much, why don’t you read the rest of the book, especially chapter 11? I’ll give you a free sample:

“1 Now faith is the ASSURANCE of things hoped for (emphasis mine), the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.”

Again, Roman theology fails utterly before the Word of God.

[af_vet_1981]

It’s pretty obvious that Peter is speaking to people who already HAVE salvation because of the promises of God.

Your first Pope doesn’t like your Roman theology.

Nothing about German theology here ...

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

And since you like Hebrews so much, ...

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses one to twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Mark17]

Sorry bro, I am not buying your interpretations, from your random scripture generating. Besides, you need a priest, to interpret scripture for you. Did a priest interpret that for you? Since I am not a big fan of priests, I don’t need, and don’t want them to help me. If it’s ok with you, I would much rather have the Holy Spirit help me, than a priest. I think the Holy Spirit is more dependable. Don’t you?
OK, am I correct in assuming that you have no assurance of salvation? If you don’t, that’s sad. I certainly do. It’s a beautiful thing. You should try it. You will like it, but if you don’t want any assurance, I fail to see where that is my problem bro.
Now, for the next few minutes, I am going to thank God for His great gift, of assurance of salvation. Ain’t life grand, to know one is already a member of God’s kingdom? 😇👍🇮🇱

[Luircin]

Are you mind-reading me again?

[Mark17]

Are you mind-reading me again?

LOL. That’s a good question bro. 😇

[Luircin]

Looks like calling them out for hypocrisy really works.

[af_vet_1981]

I read the Bible, and interpreted it for myself, ...

If so, how does one interpret this? It is quite relevant to the subject of assurance of salvation.

Who did the Messiah say to fear?

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verse five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Mark17]

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

I interpret it differently than you do, naturally. I don’t think it is talking about assurance of salvation at all. My question is, do you have a priest interpreting this for you? I thought you needed that, or did someone change the rules, to allow you interpret without a priest. I don’t like priests much, so I have no problem interpreting it for myself. The Holy Spirit helps me.
Two can play your game. 1st John 5:11-13. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
How do you interpret those 3 verses? Make sure you get a priest first. Praise God I am not a catholic anymore, but when I was, the priests and nuns always told us that we needed a priest to interpret scripture for us. I NEVER accepted that, even as a catholic.
Look bro, I have assurance of salvation. I don’t even know for sure if you even want assurance, but if you don’t, that’s your problem, not mine.
Do you have any other verses that I can disagree with you on? Bring them on, but no random scripture generating.

[Fledermaus]

If its pedophilia, then why no little girls and only boys?

[morphing libertarian]

altar BOYS?

[metmom]

I interpret it differently than you do, naturally. I don’t think it is talking about assurance of salvation at all.

You are correct, it's not.

It has nothing to do with the security of the believer.

These verses, that God Himself inspired the writers of Scripture to put down, tell us we are secure.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring-not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Hebrews 6:17-20 So when God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us. We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

Jude v24 "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”