Pope Francis Praises Italian Fishers for Ridding the Sea of Plastic

Vatican News ^ | 1/19/20 | Lydia O'Kane

[marshmallow]

Then the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Acts 6:2

There's nothing "wrong" with serving tables. The "wrong" comes in neglecting the primary mission of apostles and the Church in order to do this.

Likewise, there's nothing "wrong" with being "a good steward of Creation". The "wrong" is in distorting the Church's primary mission and focus from saving souls to saving the planet. This has to be seen within the context of the whole Bergoglio pontificate, it's simultaneous de-emphasizing of the seriousness of personal transgressions of the moral law and elevation of the environmentalist "sin" to an equal or greater importance.

In any event, a proper attitude to "Creation" comes when man fears the Creator, whose Gospel the Church is charged with preaching. An exaggerated and isolated focus on "Creation" in a theological vacuum gets us the religion of "environmentalism" and all that brings with it; abortion, population control, climate hysteria and Greta Thunberg, whose mission appears to particularly delight Francis.

[Hieronymus]

The Catholics that are suggesting that Francis is the anti-Christ nearly always preface this position with the statement that he is an anti-Pope.

That you recognize the quasi-Sedevacantists as Roman Catholics seems to me a point in favour of the validity of their position as sedevacantists, but against the position that he is the anti-Christ. I will not argue for the sedevacantist position, but if I were to argue for it, your testimony is something I would consider presenting.

I think that Pope Francis, like Obama, simply is not smart enough to be the anti-Christ. I also don’t think that Francis is charismatic enough.

I do not, as a Catholic, see anything inherently weird about the position that the anti-Christ may be A pope. I would be slow to conclude that any particular Pope is the anti-Christ (I think Luther was too quick to rush to judgment on this one) and would deny that the office of the Pope is the office of anti-Christ.

I, at least, am willing to take a public stand and defend Francis against being the anti-Christ. This is not as advanced in charity as what you have courageously done on his behalf on this thread, but it is something. You are being attacked for your defence of Francis. I doubt that those Catholics holding that he may be the anti-Christ are likely to attack me.

I applaud your charity and your act of justice. You are doing good, by the grace of God. May God reward you and may He be glorified.

[ealgeone]

To be clear...I AM NOT DEFENDING FRANCIS....I am simply asking a question that has been raised before, is there anything inherently wrong with being a good steward of the creation given to us by the Creator?

[Hieronymus]

To be clear...I AM NOT DEFENDING FRANCIS

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You may deny it, but you are defending Francis.

You are not asking the question in an abstract context, you are asking the question in the context of a thread which involves Francis, and you are defending the position that he has put forward, and I suspect is being trashed because he is the one putting it forward.

I applaud you for your defence of Francis, who, in my opinion is Pope.

May God reward you for responding to His grace to do this good deed. Whatever you do for the least of his brethren, you do to Him.

[ealgeone]

Good grief.

[READINABLUESTATE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGE73tTSVU

George Carlin- Plastic.

[Hieronymus]

Good grief.

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Blessed are those who mourn. (That may be what you are getting at)

You are right, if people grieve over Francis’ flaws, rather than attack them because they irritate them, they will have their eyes opened to his good qualities the way yours have been, and if they do this, they just might be comforted rather than irritated.

[metmom]

There’s nothing wrong with it.

God gave us the world and gave us dominion over it and I don’t think the God of the universe that clothes the lilies of the field and knows when a sparrow falls, would condone our abuse and misuse of this world He gave us as a home.

Men’s souls are the primary thing, but there’s absolutely no reason at all that we can’t take care of our planet at the same time we are taking care of people.

[Hieronymus]

Not as overt, but that makes two pro-Francis posters on a thread in the religions forum. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen that many defenders for him in such a short thread.

I would say that most Catholics at FR think there needs to be more on souls and less on plastic from this particular quarter, but if you find this version of the gospel edifying, who am I to judge?

[Hieronymus]

That is a weasely way to employ inclusive language.

It is good to know that people can train animals to do this sort of thing.

[metmom]

I’m not pro Francis.

I am pro-Scripture.

If he happens to get something right now and then well, stuff happens.

But that hardly means I am pro-Francis.

I was actually supporting ealgeone’s position.

[ealgeone]

Sometimes the pope gets it right....doesn't mean we're supporting Roman Catholicism.

IF anyone has reviewed our posts there is no way they can come away with that conclusion.

[daniel1212]

Not as overt, but that makes two pro-Francis posters on a thread in the religions forum. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen that many defenders for him in such a short thread. I would say that most Catholics at FR think there needs to be more on souls and less on plastic from this particular quarter, but if you find this version of the gospel edifying, who am I to judge?

Well, even a broken clock... and here is another example of the lost relatively liberal soul yet Pope Francis at least saying some things in the right direction:

FATIMA, Portugal (CNS) — Mary’s example of believing and following Jesus is what matters most; she cannot be some image “of our own making” who Christians barter with for mercy, Pope Francis said.

Is the Mary they honor “a woman blessed because she believed always and everywhere in God’s words or a ‘plaster statue’ from whom we beg favors at little cost?” he asked.

Is the Mary they honor “a woman blessed because she believed always and everywhere in God’s words or a ‘plaster statue’ from whom we beg favors at little cost?” he asked.

But then Francis goes back to being part of the unscriptural adulation given to the Mary of Catholicism . Tto whom is ascribed attributes, titles and glory that are nowhere given to any created being but to God alone, thinking of mortal far far above what is written, (contra. 1 Co. 4:6) praying to her, the like of which is nowhere seen in the over 200 prayers in Scripture by the Holy Spirit , along with other distinctive Catholic teachings .

The festive cheering of the crowd turned to near absolute silence as the pope spent several minutes with his head bowed and hands clasped in prayer, occasionally looking up at the statue of Mary venerated by his predecessors and millions of devotees across the globe.

Pope Francis then recited a prayer he wrote, an expanded version of the traditional “Salve Regina” (“Hail Holy Queen”).

Alternating his verses with a choral refrain venerating the “Queen of the Rosary of Fatima,” the pope consecrated himself to Mary and entrusted to her intercession a suffering humanity where blood “is shed in the wars tearing our world apart.”

Begging Mary’s assistance, the pope prayed that believers would “tear down all walls and overcome all boundaries, going to all peripheries, there revealing God’s justice and peace.” - Junno Arocho Esteves, Catholic News Service: https://www.franciscanmedia.org/pope-honor-the-believing-tender-mary-not-a-plaster-statue/

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing supernatural attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Which manner of "adulation" could constitute worship in Scripture (Words for worship in the NT ), yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

[daniel1212]

Sometimes the pope gets it right....doesn't mean we're supporting Roman Catholicism. IF anyone has reviewed our posts there is no way they can come away with that conclusion.

Indeed. but compared to the vituperative disgust the disowned Francis (AKA "Bergoglio") receives (thus the RM once stated that "being so many other Catholic posters have proclaimed that the Pope is not Catholic, we will remove the Catholic Caucus label because this thread is about a non-Catholic") then anything positive said about this broken clock seems to be pro-Francis.

[Elsie]

Phooey on what the pope says!!

It’ll take yet another apparition of ‘Mary’ to REALLY get the message about plastic ETAL out!!

[Hieronymus]

Your right—precisely because I have read many of your posts, I can’t imagine you doing much besides attempting to destroy Roman Catholicism,. Thisis why your support for Francis seems, from a certain angle, to be the kiss of death for arguments that he is a true Pope. Supporting him, it would appear (given his friends), may be a diabolically clever way of undermining the Church.

That goes double for metmom.

[Hieronymus]

You should magnify the stuff in small print. It is great—I’m glad you showed for the party.

Mene, mene

[Hieronymus]

Pope Francis needs to be made familiar with this “hymn” before he goes too hard against plastic.

(Plastic Jesus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khf3t1GQZMw&list=RDkhf3t1GQZMw&start_radio=1

[daniel1212]

You should magnify the stuff in small print.

True: it was a long sentence with Catholics have criticized me for (one of many) and I did not mean to enclose the whole section.

So far I have seen RCs posters state concerning your pope,

Bergoglio the Heretic; preaches and authors heresy; the material and formal heretic; this fraud of a pope; “an apostate,” he's not a Catholic; Pope Frank..protestant; The Impopester; The Ecumenical Mass of Bergoglio is straight out of Hell; ...for which our poor, beleaguered pontiff is nothing more than the ultimate poster boy;

Thus,

Is Catholicism about to break into three?

Archbishop Viganò: We Are Witnessing Creation of a ‘New Church ’

The SSPX's Relationship with Francis: Is it Traditional? post #6

Is the Catholic Church in De Facto Schism?

The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope...If Francis is a true Pope …

Dogmatic Fact: The One Doctrine that Proves Francis Is Pope; https://onepeterfive.com/dogmatic-fact-francis-pope/

A web site popular among “RadTrad” RCs who reject Vatican Two is Novus ordo watch and which sums up the situation by saying (https://novusordowatch.org/start-here/),

[metmom]

You really do need reading comprehension lessons.