Posted on 02/01/2020 12:42:44 PM PST by Antoninus
Ignatius of Antioch is one of the earliest of the Church fathers who left significant writings behind. Born in the mid-First Century AD, it is believed that he, along with Polycarp, were disciples of Saint John the Evangelist. Ecclesiastical historians of the fourth and fifth centuries mention that Ignatius was consecrated bishop of Antioch by Saint Peter himself. His feast day, on the traditional calendar, is February 1.
Ignatius was martyred during the reign of Trajan, thus sometime between AD 98 and 117. There exists an ancient martyrdom account of which includes this fascinating dialogue between Ignatius and Trajan while the latter was sojourning in Antioch. We know for certain that Trajan spent time in Antioch because he was present there when the earthquake of AD 115 devastated the city.
When [Ignatius] was set before the Emperor Trajan, [that prince] said to him: "Who are you, you evil demon, who so zealously breaks our commands, and persuades others to do the same, so that they should miserably perish?"Ignatius replied: "No one ought to call Theophorus evil; for all of the demons have departed from the servants of God. But if, because I am an enemy to these [demons], you call me wicked in respect to them, I quite agree with you; for inasmuch as I have Christ the King of heaven [within me], I destroy all the devices of these [demons].
Trajan answered: "And who is Theophorus?"
Ignatius replied: "He who has Christ within his breast."
Trajan said: "Do we not then seem to you to have the gods in our mind, whose assistance we enjoy in fighting against our enemies?
The full account of the martyrdom of St. Ignatius of Antioch may be found in I Am A Christian. Ignatius answered: "You are in error when you call the dæmons of the nations gods. For there is but one God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that are in them; and one Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, whose kingdom may I enjoy.
Trajan said: "Do you mean Him who was crucified under Pontius Pilate?"
Ignatius replied: "I mean Him who crucified my sin, with him who was the inventor of it, and who has condemned [and cast down] all the deceit and malice of the devil under the feet of those who carry Him in their heart."
Trajan said: "Do you then carry within you Him that was crucified?"
Ignatius replied: "Truly so; for it is written, 'I will dwell in them, and walk in them.' [2 Corinthians 6:16]
Then Trajan pronounced sentence as follows: "We command that Ignatius, who affirms that he carries about within him Him that was crucified, be bound by soldiers, and carried to the great [city] Rome, there to be devoured by the beasts, for the gratification of the people."
When the holy martyr heard this sentence, he cried out with joy: "I thank you, O Lord, that You have vouchsafed to honor me with a perfect love towards You, and have made me to be bound with iron chains, like your Apostle Paul."
Read the rest of the martyrdom of Saint Ignatius of Antioch in I Am A Christian: Authentic Accounts of Christian Martyrdom and Persecution from the Ancient Sources.
The quote featured in the above meme is taken the Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, one of the earliest post-Scriptural Christian writings. Here is the quote in context--a letter in which Saint Ignatius gives advice on the proper behavior for a Christian:
Chapter X: Exhortations to Prayer, Humility, etc.And pray ye without ceasing in behalf of other men. For there is in them hope of repentance that they may attain to God. See, then, that they be instructed by your works, if in no other way. Be ye meek in response to their wrath, humble in opposition to their boasting: to their blasphemies return your prayers; in contrast to their error, be ye steadfast in the faith; and for their cruelty, manifest your gentleness. While we take care not to imitate their conduct, let us be found their brethren in all true kindness; and let us seek to be followers of the Lord (who ever more unjustly treated, more destitute, more condemned?) that so no plant of the devil may be found in you, but ye may remain in all holiness and sobriety in Jesus Christ, both with respect to the flesh and spirit.
And pray ye without ceasing in behalf of other men; for there is hope of the repentance, that they may attain to God. For cannot he that falls arise again, and he that goes astray return? Permit them, then, to be instructed by you. Be ye therefore the ministers of God, and the mouth of Christ. For thus saith the Lord, "If ye take forth the precious from the vile, ye shall be as my mouth." Be ye humble in response to their wrath; oppose to their blasphemies your earnest prayers; while they go astray, stand ye steadfast in the faith. Conquer ye their harsh temper by gentleness, their passion by meekness. For "blessed are the meek;" and Moses was meek above all men; and David was exceeding meek. Wherefore Paul exhorts as follows: "The servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle towards all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves."
Do not seek to avenge yourselves on those that injure you, for says [the Scripture], If I have returned evil to those who returned evil to me." Let us make them brethren by our kindness. For say ye to those that hate you, Ye are our brethren, that the name of the Lord may be glorified. And let us imitate the Lord, "who, when He was reviled, reviled not again;" when He was crucified, He answered not; "when He suffered, He threatened not;" but prayed for His enemies, "Father, forgive them; they know not what they do."
If any one, the more he is injured, displays the more patience, blessed is he. If any one is defrauded, if any one is despised, for the name of the Lord, he truly is the servant of Christ. Take heed that no plant of the devil be found among you, for such a plant is bitter and salt. "Watch ye, and be ye sober," in Christ Jesus.
The text of the full letter may be found at tertullian.org.
The image itself is "The Martyrdom of Ignatius of Antioch" by Cesare Fracanzano, 17th century.
Catholic ping!
The Ignatius whom even Lutherans appreciate.
His letter to the Ephesians is worthy to be read alongside Scripture.
Do you mean this thread to be a Catholic caucus thread?....I’m always interested when ever there are postings about the earliest church Fathers and am not interested about any present internecine squabbles of the modern era especially amongst Freepers.( in these contexts of discussions of the early fathers at least)
No. I purposely choose not to make use of the caucus tag because the words and deeds of the Church Fathers are worth talking about by all Christians. As a Catholic, I don’t feel the need for a “safe space.”
Ping
Well early church fathers and their comments and their histories are interesting.
"For all the saints, who from heir labors rest...
Thy Name, O Jesus, be forever blest."
Dumb question ..Why is it that Xianity, yes i wrote that like that, considers every other spiritual belief system “mythology”, when there are multiple equations of floods, virgin births, death and resurrections across the world?
I commend you for this stance.
When you have a variety of different belief systems, outside the Abrahamic trio, that contain stories of floods, virgin births, and death slash resurrection, how does Xianity get off calling the others ‘mythology’, when the same stories are held by Xians, as ‘truth’?
Xianity would be the worship of Malcolm, but I digress.
You seem to be confusing apples and oranges, I suspect. There are two separate issues here. First, for example, if there was a flood that covered the earth, it would not be surprising to find references to that flood in numerous histories of numerous cultures, since the flood would have affected the people who, e.g., eventually settled in India and fostered Hinduism as those who eventually settled in Israel and fostered Judaism.
On the other hand, references to death and resurrection may be found in numerous cultures, but there is only one reference which can be shown to have a great likelihood of being fact, and that is the reference to the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Since this is something you would need to check on your own, I will provide only one point. There were at least 500 people who saw Jesus after his death in living, bodily form. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of them ever recanted their testimony of this experience, most of them in the face of torture and death by the Roman Empire, which knew how to do torture and death quite well. People who are facing unnecessary death don't usually hold on to lies when letting go of them would give them back their lives. This leads to only one rational conclusion, which is that it wasn't a lie, it wasn't a myth, it actually happened, and the people who saw it happen said so, and continued to say so in the face of torture and death.
That is the difference between fact and myth, something that, e.g., supporters of Trump (as we all are here) should understand.
I don't expect this to convince you by itself, but I would only suggest you be willing to accept the truth wherever you find it, as I did 45 years ago.
Instead of ‘possibly’, i suggest ‘plausibly’, (as he buys the man his next cup of coffee).
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