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1 posted on 12/06/2021 8:08:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Importantly, Modernity lead to the defeat and containment of Islam.


2 posted on 12/06/2021 8:18:07 AM PST by marktwain (Amazing people can read a persons entire personality and character from one photograph.)
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Luther did not cause modernity, but Lutheran practice devolved into modernity through Kant primarily. To this day, down-and-dirty Lutherans think of themselves as the true inheritors of the Catholic church, devoid of all the Renaissance frufru (both cultural and theological). In America Lutheranism became an ethnic German/Scandinavian phenomenon, but that was not at all Luther’s intention.


3 posted on 12/06/2021 8:22:29 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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“At the end of my lecture, every single question I was asked related to the burning of Michael Servetus by the Genevan authorities in 1553”

People tend to forget that Servetus had already been arrested, imprisoned and sentenced to death by order of the RC church. He escaped and fled to Geneva. He didn’t learn his lesson, continued in his behavior and was arrested by the civil (but still very religious) government of Geneva. At a trial where Calvin acted as prosecutor he was convicted and sentenced to death by the court. Calvin asked that he not be burned as a form of execution but the civil authorities ignored him.

4 posted on 12/06/2021 8:24:36 AM PST by circlecity
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5 posted on 12/06/2021 8:31:28 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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I think Belloc and Chesterton were promoting Distributism as an economic system that would allow for more medieval elements. The author of this piece is very well-read, and he is undoubtedly familiar with many Catholic theologians, philosophers, historians (e.g. Warren Carroll) and thinkers who talk about the "Perfect Storm" of factors combining.

Trent probably came 100 years too late. Islam's attacks complicated the military solutions that might have happened against Protestant uprisings. A lot of moving parts and it is not difficult to attribute the outcome to all of the elements mentioned by the writer. The proportions of cause can and will be debated forever. Even if Martin Luther wasn't born in a vacuum, though, he was the catalyst who set all in motion the way it was.
6 posted on 12/06/2021 8:33:12 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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Thanks for posting that. Excellent essay.

My only critique is the author is his exclusion of the bigger picture gained by Scripture (a King, a Kingdom, a bride, a judgment, and eternal governance), which causes him to focus solely on human agency.

Here is an idea: Luther was used by the providence of God begin a cleansing of the Bride of Christ, while leaving the corruption of the Catholic Church intact for the last days. Everything else is just window dressing.

And here is the rub: We should all aspire to be Donatists by examining Scripture and contending for the faith by reclaiming New Testament Christianity. Modernity isn’t relevant in this pursuit because corruption will always be in the midst of the church: the only salient question is, “What do we intend to do about it?”


10 posted on 12/06/2021 9:13:51 AM PST by Salvavida (Even now, Come Lord Jesus!)
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And catholic church is still run by old men who do not want to give up their power or position...hmmmm...sound like our congress.


13 posted on 12/06/2021 10:04:56 AM PST by Bassfisher2022
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On the one hand, God has permitted it all. On the other, it’s all been His plan, as He’s ultimately sovereign over everything people do in both obedience and rebellion towards Him.

And from the human side, there’s been technological change along with fateful unforeseen events like the fall of the Byzantine Empire and the accidental discovery of the Americas by Europeans.

Then, too, there’s the Catholic sponsored “Renaissance.” Surprisingly for what would superficially be considered a Christian development, it’s beloved by unbelievers, who don’t seem threatened or offended by it at all. The liberal teachers I had in high school and college talked of it most reverently. As my liberal high school Social Studies teacher taught us, the Renaissance shifted the cultural focus from God to man, and from the group to the individual.

So the answer isn’t found in the actions of any one person, unless we’re identifying that one person as God. And if it hadn’t been Luther expressing problems with the Catholic Church, it would have been others, just as there were others.


16 posted on 12/06/2021 12:10:01 PM PST by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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