Posted on 02/29/2024 3:19:21 PM PST by ebb tide
While Italian cardinals “dialogue” with Freemasons, exorcists say they regularly cast out demons that plague families due to Masonic curses invoked upon multiple generations, warning that any involvement in Freemasonry is inviting the demonic into one’s life and that of one’s children.
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Earlier this month several Italian bishops and cardinals made headlines over a closed-door meeting in Milan with Grand Master Masons from the principal Lodges of Italian Freemasonry. Calls were issued for a more open “dialogue” between the Church and Freemasons, and inclusion of the latter within the Church, after the model of Pope Francis’ increasingly open stance toward homosexual and transgender lifestyles.
Scandal-plagued Vatican Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio called for “permanent” discussions between Catholics and Freemasons at the event. The cardinal’s speech, segments of which were reported by Il Messagero, was delivered during a meeting organized in Milan with the head of Italy’s leading Masonic lodge, Grand Orient Grand Master Stefano Bisi, joining Coccopalmerio and Milan Archbishop Mario Delpini.
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Commenting on the proposal to open up “dialogue” between the Church and Freemasonry, Monsignor Charles Pope, who has been involved in deliverance ministry for decades at the St. Michael Center for Spiritual Renewal based in Washington, D.C., told LifeSiteNews that it was “utterly foolish” for the Church to try to “dialogue” with Freemasonry.
He said this was for two reasons. First, it “gives the impression” that being involved in Freemasonry “is no big deal,” undermining Catholic teaching that being part of Masonry is gravely sinful and spiritually dangerous, incurring the penalty of an automatic excommunication. Msgr. Pope affirmed that involvement in Freemasonry exposes the soul to the demonic.
Second, Msgr. Pope said that if any dialogue is engaged in with sinners, “it should be private, not a public conversion.” Public discussions only create “confusion” and “scandal,” he insisted.
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Pope explained that in exorcisms and deliverance ministry, Masonic possessions and obsessions are extremely serious, involving generational curses stemming from vows pronounced by a man during Masonic rituals. Pope said that Masonic curses sometimes remain for up to seven generations, and that in deliverance ministry, such curses were discovered to be far more frequent than at first imagined.
He added that, given the frequency of Masonic curses and the near impossibility of tracing Masonic involvement back seven generations, at the St. Michael Center, prayers of deliverance for demonic obsession and possession include “as a matter of course” the renunciation of Masonic vows and the breaking of Masonic curses, which is accomplished after three days of intense prayer.
Exorcists’ stories of Masonic curses
Corroborating Msgr. Pope’s testimony, Monsignor Stephen Rossetti, the founder of the St. Michael Center and himself an exorcist, has published several stories of demonic possession and obsession resulting from Masonic curses. The incidents are related in a blogpost series titled, “Diary of an Exorcist.”
Detailing the struggle of a man facing demonic activity related to an alcohol addiction, and the obstacles the exorcist ran into when trying to expel the demon, Rossetti writes in the entry titled, Exorcist Diary #233:
However, it seemed to the Exorcist that there was something blocking full liberation. The sessions were not being fully effective. On an inspiration, the Exorcist asked James, ‘Is there any freemasonry or other cult involvement in your family background?’ James responded, ‘My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason.’
So, the Exorcist took James through the prayers to lift any curses related to freemasonry plus any other generational curses. In the next session, James experienced great relief. He said it was almost like ‘a switch turned’ and he was liberated. It has been several years now and the demons have not returned. He is happily married and practicing the faith.
In Exorcist Diary #142, Rossetti detailed the situations of several persons who each became involved in some occult practice forbidden by the Church.
He writes that in one such situation:
A family of four with symptoms of a demonic oppression came for help. Trying to find out the cause, I finally asked, ‘Did you or any member of your family ever belong to the Masons?’ They had some symptoms which were typical of Masonic-related curses. ‘Yes,’ the father said, ‘I joined but it was just for social purposes.’
In each of these cases, and many others, the people were well-intentioned. Yet all of them made their situations worse by engaging in forbidden practices. Regarding these, the Catholic Church has given explicit public warnings: The Holy See has forbidden membership in the Masonic associations and, as recent as 1983, went so far as to state: ‘The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin.’
Rossetti continues:
While some might view these documents as examples of ecclesiastical heavy-handedness and/or an over-reaction, our direct experience suggests that they are timely warnings for our protection. At root, the commandments of God and the teachings of the Church are designed to keep us safe and are guideposts for a successful journey to the Kingdom… Humble obedience is a great protection and a powerful weapon in casting out evil.
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Rosetti also explained how, since the desire to advance financially is often a motive for men to join Freemasonry, Masonic curses are sometimes effected in the form of a financial curse.
In Exorcist Diary, #226, the priest writes:
Some people are not good with money and overspend. They might benefit from help in financial management. But I am running into more and more cases of what appears to be a financial curse. The first step in overcoming a financial curse is, of course, to live in a state of grace. For Catholics, this includes frequent confession, Mass and Eucharist plus avoiding serious sin.
Second, one needs to close any possible portals to the demonic. In one case, a financially cursed individual had a strong family history of freemasonry. It is not surprising that someone’s involvement in freemasonry would lead to financial curses, since many join in hopes of financial gain and social success. The afflicted individual was led through the ritual of renouncing freemasonic curses.
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One powerful prayer against financial curses that exorcists use is adapted from St. Louis de Montfort’s consecration to Mary. It begins:
I invoke my natural law rights over my own property and finances. I lift any curses sent against me or my property or finances. I reject any sins that may have led to these curses coming against me and ask for God’s forgiveness. I break any unholy bonds that allowed such curses to come upon me. I command the demons related to these curses to leave permanently and not be replaced by any other evil spirits. I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to receive now the entire and full right of disposing of these goods according to God’s holy will. May she cast out any and all evil spirits, sanctify our goods, protect them from any future evil action, and use them for the glory of God.
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In a video on the demonic effects of Freemasonic curses, published on the LiberChristo website and titled Freemasonry, Kyle Clement, who works in deliverance ministry with exorcist Father Chad Ripperger, explained that such curses can also be manifested in demonic opposition to a person’s religious vocation.
He said that the Masonic curses attach a demon to one’s bloodline and are often only manifested when a man or his descendants begin to become more religious, for example, by converting to Catholicism, or giving up a life of sin, or entering the seminary or religious life. Then, he said, the curse is “triggered,” and demonic oppression begins to be manifested outwardly.
Clement detailed a case in which a young man with no prior health issues mysteriously fell ill each time he entered the seminary, only to have all health problems disappear as soon as he left. After this occurred at three different seminaries, he was finally freed of his health afflictions after the prayers of deliverance from a Masonic curse were prayed over him by an exorcist.
How to break Masonic curses
In attempting to break a Masonic curse, exorcists insist that the prayers of deliverance must be made by one with authority, whether natural or ecclesiastical. The LiberChristo deliverance ministry notes that, “The freemasonry curse passes away after the 4th generation if the curse is not affirmed. Common ways a curse is affirmed include abortion, contraception, fornication, rape, especially involving virginity. The demon sees all of these as blood and human sacrifice.”
In the LiberChristo Protocol for Praying to Break the Freemasonic Curse, exorcists instruct that:
In the case of a descendant whose father, grandfather and or earlier generation of grandfathers were practicing members of freemasonry, the oldest living patriarch should pray the prayers for the family line. Should this oldest living patriarch be unwilling or unable to pray these prayers then the next oldest son could do so. If there is no living patriarch, then the oldest living daughter can pray these prayers.
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Exorcists also note that when praying the prayers of deliverance from a Masonic curse, “the male spouse of a descendant daughter would not have the authority to pray the prayers on behalf of his wife and her family. In kind, a woman would not have the authority to pray these prayers on behalf of her husband and his family line. Again, the prayers follow the blood through the male line. They (husband and wife) pray the prayers together in the case of a wife descendant of Lodge member with non-compliant or deceased male’s superior in the line to her.”
“We are finding that the husband’s prayers on her behalf are not effective,” the exorcists state. “If she prays the prayers herself, with her husband’s assistance and participation, the curse is severed in her and coming through her, and the renunciation is effective in stopping the effects in her and her minor children.”
They continue:
When determining the bloodline, consider this in the same way as a legal claim to inheritance. Example: If a man (being the FM member) were to die without a will, who would be his ‘blood’ descendant to inherit his estate? First, the living sons and daughters, (not stepchildren), then, the grandchildren would be the order for inheritance. If all sons and daughters of the FM father or grandfather were deceased, it would be the living grandson or granddaughter who would pray the renunciation prayers.
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Below are excerpts from deliverance prayers that may be recited by the laity to renounce and break Masonic curses, taken from the St. Michael Center for Spiritual Renewal.
Prayers of Deliverance for the Laity
God the Father, Creator of heaven and earth, I come to Thee in the name of Jesus Christ Thy Son. I come as a sinner seeking forgiveness and cleansing from all sins committed against Thee, and others made in Thy image.
I honor my earthly father and mother and all of my ancestors of flesh and blood, and of the spirit by adoption, and godparents, but I utterly turn away from and renounce all their sins. I forgive all my ancestors for the effects of their sins on me and my children. I confess and renounce all of my own sins. I renounce and rebuke Satan and every spiritual power of his affecting me and my family. I renounce and forsake all involvement in Freemasonry or any other lodge or craft by my ancestors and myself.
In the name of Jesus Christ and by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, I renounce and cut off Witchcraft, the principal spirit behind Freemasonry, and I renounce and cut off BAPHOMET, the Spirit of Antichrist and the spirits of Death, and Deception. I renounce the insecurity, the love of position and power, the love of money, avarice or greed, and the pride which would have led my ancestors into Masonry. I renounce all the fears which held them in Masonry, especially the fears of death, fears of men, and fears of trusting, in the name of Jesus Christ and by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I renounce every position held in the lodge by any of my ancestors or myself, including “Master,” “Worshipful Master,” or any other. I renounce the calling of any man “Master,” for Jesus Christ is my only Lord and master, and He forbids anyone else having that title. I renounce the entrapping of others into Masonry, and observing the helplessness of others during the rituals. I renounce the effects of Masonry passed on to me through any female ancestor who may or may not have felt distrusted and rejected by her husband as he entered and attended any lodge and refused to tell her of his secret activities. I also renounce all obligations, oaths and curses enacted by every female member of my family through any direct membership of all Women’s Orders of Freemasonry, the Order of the Eastern Star, or any other Masonic or occultic organization…
I renounce all the other oaths taken, the rituals of every other degree and the curses involved…
Lord Jesus, because Thou desirest that I be totally free from all occult bondages, I will burn all objects in my possession which connect me with all lodges and occultic organizations, including Masonry, Witchcraft and Mormonism, and all regalia, aprons, books of rituals, rings and other jewelry. I renounce the effects these or other objects of Masonry, including the compass and the square, have had on me or my family, in the name of Jesus Christ and by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I renounce every evil spirit associated with Masonry and Witchcraft and all other sins, and I command in the name of Jesus Christ and by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary for Satan and every evil spirit to be bound and to leave me now, touching or harming no one, and go to the place appointed for you by the Lord Jesus, never to return to me or my family.
I call on the name of the Lord Jesus to be delivered of these spirits, in accordance with Our Lord’s many promises. I ask to be delivered of every spirit of sickness, infirmity, curse, affliction, addiction, disease or allergy associated with these sins I have confessed and renounced. I surrender to God the Holy Spirit and to no other spirit all the places in my life where these sins have been.
Holy Spirit, I ask that Thou show me anything else which I need to do or to pray so that I and my family may be totally free from the consequences of the sins of Masonry, Witchcraft, Mormonism and all related Paganism and Occultism.
God the Father, I ask humbly for the blood of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and my Savior, to cleanse me from all these sins I have confessed and renounced, to cleanse my spirit, my soul, my mind, my emotions and every part of my body which has been affected by these sins.
I also ask that by the grace of Jesus Christ and by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, every cell in my body to come into divine order now and to be healed and made whole as they were designed to be by my loving Creator, including restoring all chemical imbalances and neurological functions, controlling all cancerous cells, and reversing all degenerative diseases.
I take to myself the whole armor of God in accordance with Ephesians, chapter six, and rejoice in its protection as Jesus surrounds me and fills me with His Holy Spirit. I enthrone Thee, Lord Jesus, in my heart, for Thou are my Lord and my Savior, the source of eternal life. Thank you, God the Father, for Thy mercy, Thy forgiveness and Thy love, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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Reviewed in the United States on September 23, 2015Psalm 82God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment.
That was the Bible chapter that started the journey for author and scholar, Michael Heiser. He describes in his book that he had come from a traditional Evangelical background, so the notion of there being other "gods" beside Yahweh was anathema. Monotheism means there is only one God, right?
But as he sought to understand what it all meant, it opened up a whole new world of theological messaging that reveals the supernatural worldview of the Bible.
And that is what this book did for me. I dedicated my bestselling Biblical Fantasy series first novel, Noah Primeval to Michael Heiser because this theological messaging helped open my eyes to my own modern Christian ignorance of the ancient Near Eastern background of the Bible. Like Elisha's servant opening his eyes to see the myriad of heavenly host surrounding the valley, so I now saw God's heavenly host as part of a storyline of redemption that traditional Evangelicalism has missed or misunderstood because of its obsession with modern categories and hermeneutics when interpreting the Bible. (Full disclosure: I now know Michael Heiser personally after reading an early draft of the book)
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But make no mistake, Heiser is a scholar. His emphasis is in the fields of Biblical Studies and the Ancient Near East. He is published widely in scholarly journals and even has online courses in Hebrew, Greek, Ugaritic (the language of ancient Canaan) Akkadian, Egyptian and Aramaic. This scholarly dude has academic bona fides and he cannot be dismissed. Which is why I think this book will be a game-changer in Evangelical theology. Read it, and you'll be on the crest of an exciting wave of fresh understanding of the Scriptures.
Heiser avoids both extremes of conservative hyper-literalism and liberal critical demythologizing. He seeks to interpret the text within its ancient Near Eastern context rather than the modern one, which is where both conservative and liberal scholars fail.
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The Divine Council
Psalm 89:6–7 For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord? Who among the gods is like the Lord, a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him?
God is surrounded by a myriad of heavenly host who are called by many names, like, "gods, "Sons of God," "Holy Ones," and "divine council." They are not merely "angels" floating around his throne, they are divine beings. Yes, divinity in the Bible is not the exclusive prerogative of Yahweh, and it isn't the same thing as Mormons think either. And these heavenly host have more to do than merely singing "glory" and shining up the place with their bronze-like brightness. They counsel with God (Job 1, 2) and perform tasks appointed by God (1Kings 22), they mediate the Law of God to man (Galatians 3:19 ), perform as witnesses to God's covenants and curses (Deut 33:1-4; Zech 2-3), and engage in heavenly wars (Daniel 10). There is so much more to these divine beings than meets the casual Bible reader's eye.
Sons of God and the Nephilim
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
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This is not some Ancient Aliens mythology, nor is it the sensationalist version that many Christian Nephilim Nuts are teaching. There is a reason for it all, and it has to do with the war between the Seed of the Serpent and the messianic Seed of Eve (Gen. 3:15). And it comes into play many other times in the Old Testament. Many western readers miss it because of our modernist cultural prejudice.
The Divine Allotment
Deuteronomy 32:8–9 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. But the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
At the Tower of Babel, God "gave over" the godless to their idols (Romans 1). he placed them under the authority of fallen Sons of God. They are allotted as an inheritance. Each pagan nation is ruled over by these territorial "principalities and powers" who own the deeds to their lands (Daniel 10; Col 2:15; Eph. 6:12). It's like these fallen gods of the nations are linked to their earthly counterparts of authority, so that whatever happens on earth happens in heaven (Matt 6:10; Dan 10).
When Messiah came, he disinherited the gods and took all the "land deeds" to the nations back, drawing people into the Kingdom of God from every tribe and nation.
Return of the Giants
Joshua 11:21–22
And Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim [giants] from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua devoted them to destruction with their cities. There was none of the Anakim [giants] left in the land of the people of Israel.So, those giants of Genesis 6 were not a myth or a strange anomaly. They were part of the war of the Seed of the Serpent with the Seed of Eve. And Joshua's Holy Wars now make more sense because the Anakim giants in the land of Israel (as well as other giant clans) came from the original Nephilim giants of Genesis 6 (Numbers 13:32-33). There is more going on here than merely strange beings showing up arbitrarily in the Bible. And by the way, it says Joshua actually left some in the land of Philistia, you know, that place from whence came the most famous giant of all, Goliath, whom the Messiah King David would slay, along with the last of the Rephaim giant warriors in the land. But there is so much more to it than that. More giants, more Nephilim. We've just missed them because we didn't read the text closely enough, or in it's original context.
The New Sons of God
Galatians 4:4–7 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Christians are "in Christ," and as such, we have been legally adopted as sons of God, to be one day historically glorified or transformed to be like Christ, the Unique Son of God (1John 3:2). And we will inherit the earth, that which the fallen Sons of God had lost through their failure to rule (Psalm 82). Christ now inherits all the earth, and we inherit with Him and in Him -- in place of those original Sons of God.
So Much More Wow, and believe me, that is only the tip of the ziggurat of all the amazing spiritual truths and theological storyline that Heiser uncovers in Scripture. This Divine Council worldview finally makes sense of so many of the bizarre passages in the Bible that used to seem like strange oddities we would never understand, relics of an ancient world. The Unseen Realm makes the storyline of God's family inheritance and victory over evil come alive like nothing I've read before. The Unseen Realm is not your mamby pamby "Christian Living" book with six steps to success and how to live a happy talk Christian walk. It's not a Pietistic book of formulas to manufacture subjective spiritual experiences. It's not an alternative Christian conspiracy theory to pull you away from the Gospel. This is gritty in-depth Biblical study that opens up the work of God to your mind, heart and soul with fresh excitement and wonder of His glorious mysterious ways.
You know, I agreed with you that I misread your comment. But if you want to push it, okay. First of all, if I walk up to you and say, to start a conversation, “I don’t know if you’re an idiot or not..”, wouldn’t you find that a little insulting and challenging? And then, how would you take it when I justified the first sentence by comparing you to someone who is entirely different from you? That’s what you did. There are zero similarities between Scientology and the Masons. None. I’ll give you one quick example, the process for quitting the Masons. You quit going to the lodge and don’t pay your dues. That’s it. There will be no threats, no pressure, nothing. The worst case scenario is one of the lodge members calls you and asks, “Hey, why don’t you come to the lodge anymore”? Unless you’ve made close friends or been very active in the lodge, even that ain’t going to happen. The Masons are a fraternal organization. There is nothing nefarious about them.
—> which, again, is a matter of your opinion.
Recorded by eye witnesses, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
So not my opinion. Just what is in Scripture.
“I believe there are lots of masons on fr because there is such an antiCatholic sentiment among many..”
What???? There are Catholic specific posts all the freakin time on FR. Catholics can’t become Masons due to the church’s rules. I don’t know of anybody who holds any animus toward Catholics over that.
“so yes, there are for sure bad masons....”
Off the top of your head, can you name one?
Funny how people call Jesus ‘s mother.
All nations will call her blessed. Why don’t you?
A couple of decades ago, Pastor Jack Hayford of Van Nuys, CA, launched an exposé of the Free Masons during his “Cleansing Stream” healing ministry around the country and around the world.
I was amazed. There is a reason why everything is secret. I thought the Freemasons were like the Elks’ Club. Not hardly. We learned that Freemasonry involves cursing your future generations (as seen in your example of your mom’s beating by your grandpa - but that is physical abuse). Speaking and declaring curses upon your future generation is in many ways much worse and far-reaching.
Who’s behind this madness? Well, we also found out that there are these levels in Freemasonry and the goal is always to reach as close to the top as you can. Each higher level gets more weird and darker. Turns out that at or near the highest level, the name of the leader of Freemasons is unveiled. His name is “Lucifer” (AKA Satan AKA the devil).
If you’re a Christian it’s good that you become aware that almost certainly your Grandpa and anyone else of your ancestors in Freemasonry have almost certainly declared curses on you and you family. But not to be afraid. You are not under any curse as Jesus took the curse on the cross for you.
“Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree.” Galatians 3:13.
Free Mason curses go something like this: During the process of promotion in Freemasonry, they have to make a vow that that will never reveal anything that goes on in Freemasonry and then they themselves declare that if they do, they declare certain curses upon their own future generations. Diabolical or what?
Does you family have unexplained problems beyond the ordinary? If so this almost certainly has something to do with it. My family on my dad’s side has had mental problems - unexplained. Turns out a father few generations ago on my dad’s side was at a high level of Freemasons. As far as I’m concerned, the certain curses declared by that man over his future generation is the explanation. But in Christ, I have the mind of Christ and “nothing by any means will hurt me” (Luke 10:19).
So almost certainly Satan attacks your family, but in Christ you are victorious and have nothing to fear.
Sounds like the Masons and the Catholic Church have a lot in common. No wonder they're "dialoguing."
Well, I guess you’re just going to have to decide what you believe - if it matters at all to you. (And the time you’ve spent on this thread suggests that it may.)
I’m neither.
“I’ve seen books”
Have you seen the bible? Thjat’s where a lot of our tradition comes from.
wy69”
Reading back through the thread, and your comments, I realize now that although I am...lapsed, we are brothers. I have my fathers Bible, presented to him by the Scottish Rite in 1994, sitting on my coffee table. He was very active in the Scottish Rite and blue lodge. I have never been active in either.
“Many cults use KJV as their official Bible...”
I don’t think in my years I’ve ever seen Satan on the sign in roster for any lodge or chapter I’ve attended. But the real question is if you knew he was Satan, would you trust him? And if you don’t know the difference between Christ and Satan, maybe you need to read the bible a little more.
The word cult is a very broad description limited to the language of one who uses it. Cult is defined from the Oxford Dictionary as a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. Could that mean that Christianity could be a cult? By definition it is.
As masons, we do not advertise who we are or what we do hardly ever. So unless one visits and/or joins us, they won’t really know. And unlike the movie we don’t have a room full of treasures like the dead sea scrolls. We advertise when we meet and where. No real secrets. I just wish people wouldn’t demonize us so we don’t have to be careful with the who we are part. And then everyone can help the less fortunate, not just us. Wouldn’t that be great?
wy69
I haven’t seen anyone get ‘shitty’. This is a discussion group, and if you post to it, you should expect discussion and often even disagreement.
“I have never been active in either.”
Masonry work is not for everybody. Some don’t have the time due to employment and/or committments to family. And the family should always come first. Some have disabilities or injuries that limit them. Some have moved into the desert and there are no lodges within reasonable drive so they are unable to attend.
But the teachings of the craft are more than just our philathropy. We take good men and try to make them better. So everyone from the community to those they will never see are positively effected. It’s where you heart is, not your pocketbook.
wy69
“Yeah, and if you had stopped there, I wouldn’t have bothered to reply. But you had to go and tell me that the reason you misunderstood my post is that I wrote it wrong. Classic case of “I made a mistake but it’s your fault.””
And your reply is a classic case of “I can’t dispute the point of the comment so I’ll just babble about something else”.
Your post 34 DID seem silly. You say you don’t know, haven’t come to an opinion, but repeat things harmful to the reputation of Freemasonry that you’ve just ‘heard’ or ‘read’. The whole premise of your hypothetical was based on things you don’t know for fact, and as I stated later, that’s a lot like political propaganda.
My understanding is that 67 years old is a long life at the time maybe you are not familiar with the hygiene, the great number of uncontrolled diseases and the state of medical care (or lack thereof), but worse is your smear of the man whose deeds and sacrifices is one of the major factors in the birth of this great nation is despicable.
She was (and is) a blessed HUMAN. Not a goddess. The “vibes” I detect around the cult of the BVM are nearly identical to those sensed around Mormonism — superficially shiny, but with a disquieting weirdness in the background.
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