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Lets Rebuild The Temple!...Israel Accepts the AntiChrist, But.....
http://www.beingjewish.com ^ | 4/16/02 | AntiDemoCommie

Posted on 04/16/2002 1:47:05 AM PDT by antidemocommie

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To: antidemocommie
Of course, there are many other schools of thought on that, where other rabbis would disagree with this one.

I am not a dispy, and I do not believe the Temple HAS to be rebuilt before Jesus/Mashiach/Yeshua can return: still, my guess is that it will be.

On a separate matter, there is no evidence in the Bible persuasive to me as a historicist and a non-dispy that "the Jews" or the "the Israeli government" accept the antichrist as Messiah, or even as a good man. As this Adam Shapiro proves, SOME individual Jew can be found to accept ANYthing and ANYbody, even Arafat!

Show me a text that says the Jewish people in general, as a body, accept this antichrist either as Mashiach or as a temporal leader.

41 posted on 04/22/2002 10:56:57 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: sola gracia
You are right, but perhaps for the wrong reason.

Any independent/autonomous Jewish commonwealth in Eretz Yisroel is a temple. In that sense, the 3rd temple began in 1948 and has been abuilding ever since. This IS scripturally valid.

42 posted on 04/22/2002 10:59:47 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: goldenstategirl
Numbers 19 plus or minus. The expression in Hebrew is "parah adumah" literally red cow, but its needing to be one that has not been bred or calved is stated in the text, thus in English "red heifer."
43 posted on 04/22/2002 11:02:38 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
How is anyone going to prove that he is a "bona fide descendant of Aaron?"

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I have no idea. They could ask the Mormons to do a genealogy search. Just imagine the implications of that!

44 posted on 04/22/2002 11:38:55 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: restornu
Thanks for the bump. It's kind of like watching a bunch of blindfolded people stumble around unable to see what's right in front of them, isn't it.
45 posted on 04/22/2002 12:05:10 PM PDT by Grig
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To: antidemocommie
If I said that Elijah the Prophet has already returned, there are millions of men around today who have been ordained 'as was Aaron' and a prophet of God walks the earth, would you have the faith to sincerely consider it a possibility, or would you automaticly scoff at the idea and think it impossible or foolish?

I think lack of faith, more than anything else, is why it is not there yet.

46 posted on 04/22/2002 12:12:01 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
Yes, it will be interesting to watch this unfold.:)
47 posted on 04/22/2002 12:12:56 PM PDT by restornu
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To: drstevej
I have no idea. They could ask the Mormons to do a genealogy search. Just imagine the implications of that!

I don't think you relize just how much this whole thing ties in with LDS doctrine. The coming of Elijah, the restoration of the Priesthood, temples, prophets. You are beating all around a bush that belongs to us and you don't even know it.

48 posted on 04/22/2002 12:21:52 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
I like this part-

Israel rejected Christ as the savior. Thus, today Israel is looking for the Lion who will come to their rescue. The new Temple will be built on the grounds of the 2nd Temple, but the new Temple demensions are not fully known. As a matter of fact, many aspects of the new Temple are not known, and these questions will be answered by a man who will come to help Israel.

D&C 13: 1
1 UPON you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness.

49 posted on 04/22/2002 12:34:17 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Grig
You are beating all around a bush that belongs to us and you don't even know it.

Some of us do know it. And you can keep that bush.

Luke 5:36-39
And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'The old is good enough.'"

50 posted on 04/22/2002 1:12:05 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
It's really the Lord's bush and its your choice it you
don't want it, Oh my free will!
51 posted on 04/22/2002 1:20:36 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Grig;RnMom;the_doc
"I don't think you relize just how much this whole thing ties in with LDS doctrine. The coming of Elijah, the restoration of the Priesthood, temples, prophets. You are beating all around a bush that belongs to us and you don't even know it."

Believe me I do know it. However, you'll have to share temple space with all the other lost tribes cults who try to horn in on the promises to Abraham. Ever see the scene in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run where two groups show up simulataneously to rob the same bank? They have the patrons vote on which group they want to rob them.

The competition of the cults to grab Israel's promises is the same scene!

52 posted on 04/22/2002 1:35:53 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: ;*LDS_list
As the world turns!:)
53 posted on 04/22/2002 1:38:23 PM PDT by restornu
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To: drstevej
The competition of the cults to grab Israel's promises is the same scene!

Good point!

54 posted on 04/22/2002 1:46:56 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: Grig
If I said that Elijah the Prophet has already returned, there are millions of men around today who have been ordained 'as was Aaron' and a prophet of God walks the earth, would you have the faith to sincerely consider it a possibility, or would you automaticly scoff at the idea and think it impossible or foolish?

I would say someone that believed that was spiritually deceived..

55 posted on 04/22/2002 2:01:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Some of us do know it. And you can keep that bush.

A tree is only as good as it's roots:>))

56 posted on 04/22/2002 2:02:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej
I'm quite happy to let the God of Isreal judge who is a "lost tribes cult" and who is not. Dispite your disagreement with us on various areas, the article does clearly point out the need for a latter-day prophet and a restoration of the priesthood. Things that the other Christian chruches deny being needed or possible.
58 posted on 04/22/2002 2:49:34 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
Grig, I love it they all follow the party line, Don't ponder and pray over it, just quickly renouce it!

Don't engage the Holy Spirit even though the Lord commands us to try all spirits if it be of Him.

I witness smuge over humility!

59 posted on 04/22/2002 3:08:26 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu;Grig
Elijah has already come!

Matthew 17:10-13
And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

THE Prophet has already walked the earth!

Acts 3:19-26
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said to the fathers, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.' Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, "And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.' To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

A royal preisthood has already been established!

1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Are you willing to prayerfully consider that?

60 posted on 04/22/2002 3:46:31 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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