SEN. HAGEL: Our borders are the most critical, urgent issue facing our country.

CNN/The Lou Dobbs show ^ | Jan. 21, 2005 | Transcript

[winodog]

That will not stop the swamp from trying. Funny how this is not mentioned but I would not be suprised if this is where we are headed and its what is behind the unchecked illegal immigration at a time of war.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Evidently Muslims like Hagels bill:

http://www.amuslimvoice.org/html/body_immigration_bill.html

[JustAnotherSavage]

"The people here at FR would be up in arms fighting any Dem who tried some of this stuff. I am sure it has always worked this way but it seems more obvious lately."

The bill was originally called the Hagel-Daschle immigration reform. All this Senate "bi-partisanship", ain't it great!! Sure tries to kill any logical voice in the discussion, doesn't it?


”Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” Dr. Martin Luther King

[26lemoncharlie]

The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto.

They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution. The Hate Crimes were put into law to do just that. We have the right to Hate just as we have the right to Love.

The Constitution of the United States is slowly but surely being replaced with the Socialist Version of the European Constitution, read it for yourself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318061/posts?page=6#6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318038/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318034/posts
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254190/posts

[JustAnotherSavage]

It gets worse, MALDEF endorsed Hagel's bill.

There is also a link to the bill.

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MALDEF Comments On Hagel-Daschle Immigration Policy Reform Proposal

January 21, 2004

   Read Hagel-Daschle Bill.

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) Based on advance information obtained by MALDEF staff, the following is in anticipation of today's introduction of an immigration reform bill. (These remarks may be subject to change after review of the actual text of the bill). MALDEF Vice President of Public Policy Vibiana Andrade, who is based at MALDEF's Los Angeles headquarters, and Immigrants' Rights Attorney Katherine Culliton, from the MALDEF Washington, D.C. office, jointly issued the following statement:


'Today, Senators Chuck Hagel (R.-Neb.) and Tom Daschle (D.- S.D.) are introducing a bipartisan comprehensive immigration policy reform bill that represents the type of reform that America needs. MALDEF understands that the Hagel-Daschle bill would keep families together and give immigrant workers the chance to become full members or our society. We believe that this proposal embraces family values that President Bush called for in his speech on January 6. ---snip
http://www.maldef.org/news/press.cfm?ID=205

[FBD]

Our governments demonstrated unwillingness to protect our own borders for our security, all while fighting wars on the other side of the planet to promote freedom.
John Quincy Adams warned about the inherent dangers of this policy.

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'Monsters to Destroy'
John Quincy Adams; 1821 speech

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"And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice."

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[Ohioan]

Look at the list you put up above, Soros, Maldef, AARP. All hate Bush.

And look at how totally you miss his point. It says something to most Conservatives, that the "compassionate conservative" President, lines up on immigration with those who are avowedly to his Left. To you, it means only that we do not worship a politician, whom you apparently are unable to objectively consider.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[meema]

Hegel wants to legalize (amnesty) most of the illegals who are here, among other things. He is NOT for us, the American Citizens!

[John Lenin]

We keep voting for them?

Our choices, frick or frack ....

[FITZ]

You're transparent. Massive immigration isn't even doing a single thing to help your beloved country Mexico out --- it's actually making things worse there. People there are worse off --- not better, immigration is more desperate every year. You have no desire to see the Mexicans remain in Mexico and work for change their, demand improvements --- why? Maybe because you like your cheap dirt paid servants.

[Recall]

This has all of those "strange phrases" that really mean amnesty..you know "people living in the shadows" stuff and others. Plus, Daschle was all for opening borders a couple years back (I remember because I wrote him on Prop 245i). Looks like this is their offer to Tancredo's real reform. It's BULL Folks.

I've been watching Tancredo's immigration stance for the past 3 years, he is the only one I trust. Since Karl Rove told him not to darken the door of the W.H. it will be interesting to see if they try to buy his allegience now.
They are learning when he speaks, people listen and we have
learned to read between the lines.

[FITZ]

A thousand $ fine. Ha! Should charge 10K+ if we're going to decriminalize illegal aliens. Half can be put back into the SS fund and the other half can be used to deport everyone else.

They seem to have no trouble coming up with $3000 to $5000 to pay their coyotes.

[patriot_wes]

"SEN. HAGEL: Our borders are the most critical, urgent issue facing our country"

Hey Chuckie boy, Pres.Fox says shup up! Your going to interfere with the plan to re-annex the american sw into Mexico.

[notigar]

what would the President's ranking on that be?

[Recall]

I can't tell Cubans from Mexicans from Puerto Ricans etc.
I apologize and realize I probably just don't spend enough time in those cultural groups to distinguish the differences.

I recently read that the 3 groups I've mentioned don't get along. What would your wife say to this?

[FITZ]

Mexico will reform itself when we absorb it as a territory.

But they're still upset about us doing that before --- and that was just some territory they took from Spain when they declared their independence. It can't be us absorbing them --- they have to want it, to fight for it --- like Texans did. Texans first split off from Mexico, became an independent nation, then petitioned to join the USA. Places like New Mexico and Arizona were just mostly empty lands that the Spanish government held for a while but could not convince Mexicans to move into --- much because they were scared of the Indian groups like the Apaches.

[dirtboy]

I recently read that the 3 groups I've mentioned don't get along. What would your wife say to this?

She would be inclined to agree.