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After a 2,000-Year Rest, a Seed Sprouts in Jerusalem
NY TIMES ^ | JERUSALEM, June 11

Posted on 06/11/2005 7:29:53 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

JERUSALEM, June 11 - Israeli doctors and scientists have succeeded in germinating a date seed nearly 2,000 years old.

The seed, nicknamed Methuselah, was taken from an excavation at Masada, the cliff fortress where, in A.D. 73, 960 Jewish zealots died by their own hand, rather than surrender to a Roman assault. The point is to find out what was so exceptional about the original date palm of Judea, much praised in the Bible and the Koran for its shade, food, beauty and medicinal qualities, but long ago destroyed by the crusaders.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; archaeology; barkochba; dietandcuisine; ggg; ggggodsgravesglyphs; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; huntergatherers; israel; judea; judeandatepalm; letshavejerusalem; masada; methuselah; methuselahtree; romanempire
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1 posted on 06/11/2005 7:29:53 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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The plant is now 11.8 inches tall and has produced seven leaves, one of which was removed for DNA testing. Radiocarbon dating in Switzerland on a snip of the seed showed it to be 1,990 years old, plus or minus 50 years. So the date seed dates from 35 B.C. to A.D. 65, just before the famed Roman siege.

Three date seeds were taken from Level 34 of the Masada dig. They were found in a storeroom, and are presumably from dates eaten by the defenders, Dr. Sallon says.


2 posted on 06/11/2005 7:30:21 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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If they look hard enough, they may be able to find a Methuselah plant growing at a construction site in California...


3 posted on 06/11/2005 7:33:03 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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This is amazing. Seed packets often say something like guaranteed to sprout but you might assume they would not guarantee seeds more than a year old.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 7:35:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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My kind of gardener!

I had no idea if the food in the seed was still good, but I put them in new pots in new potting soil and plugged them into drip irrigation and kind of forgot about them

5 posted on 06/11/2005 7:36:27 PM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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If they look hard enough, they may be able to find a Methuselah plant growing at a construction site in California...

In which case construction will be halted. Not permanently, but for the next 2,000 years.

6 posted on 06/11/2005 7:37:19 PM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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I have always been fascinated by the story of the Masada.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 7:37:48 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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In which case construction will be halted. Not permanently, but for the next 2,000 years.

Which would certainly please the environMENTAL-whackos.

8 posted on 06/11/2005 7:39:39 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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"Lotus seeds of about 1,200 years of age have been sprouted in China, and after the Nazis bombed London's Natural History Museum in World War II and a lot of water was used to put out the fire, seeds of 500 years of age also germinated."

I find it facinating that this type of fact never appears until this type of story. I never heard about any of this.

9 posted on 06/11/2005 7:39:48 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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Anthrax can germinate from samples taken from a mummy then it can be possible for a plant to germinate after a very long hibernation.
10 posted on 06/11/2005 7:40:11 PM PDT by vetvetdoug (Shiloh, Corinth, Iuka, Brices Crossroads, Harrisburg, Britton Lane, Holly Springs, Hatchie Bridge,)
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There was a movie. Fascinating, the Roman engineering and the mindset of the defenders.


11 posted on 06/11/2005 7:40:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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The Romans surely did an Environmental Impact report...I wonder what it said about the Date trees? Or the Jews for that matter?


12 posted on 06/11/2005 7:41:03 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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Interesting to say the least.

I seem to remember 2,000 year old wheat or barley found in Egypt being successfully germinated in the 80's.

Who is to say, people still eat 8.000 year old mammoth flesh.. But only when they can.
13 posted on 06/11/2005 7:41:08 PM PDT by mmercier (lost halls of heaven and Olympian air)
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It's not a surprise, really, when seeds have to be kept bone dry or they will sprout. Once they are dry, what would change internally?


14 posted on 06/11/2005 7:42:31 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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I know. Seeds survive fire, dormancy, etc. I just find it facinating that I had never heard about the London Museum seeds.

I posted a thread earlier this year about the incredible blooms going in in Death Vally this year due to the high rain levels. Nature will not be stopped.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 7:45:07 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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Ahhh yes, I'll have the mammoth steak, twiced baked potato and the vegetable medley. Dry aged mammoth steak is certainly "to die for."

Oh, I would ask the wine stewards on FR, what would you recommend for the mammoth steak?


16 posted on 06/11/2005 7:45:41 PM PDT by Hilltop
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They could probably get Helen Thomas to identify it.
17 posted on 06/11/2005 7:46:29 PM PDT by b4its2late (Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math.)
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Great story.

Where there is life there is hope.


18 posted on 06/11/2005 7:48:36 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: RightWhale

"It's not a surprise, really, when seeds have to be kept bone dry or they will sprout. Once they are dry, what would change internally?"


It's still amazing to me. The idea that the seed has been alive for 2000 years just bowls me over.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 7:48:46 PM PDT by LiveBait
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the incredible blooms going in in Death Vally

Don't know if you ever listen to Art Bell. He lives about ten miles from Death Valley and remarked recently on the vegeation this year. My memory of Death Valley is nothing but dust and rocks.

20 posted on 06/11/2005 7:48:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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