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Christian Catacombs May Have Jewish Origin
Yahoo News/Live Science ^ | 7-20-2005 | Michael Schirber

Posted on 07/22/2005 3:31:26 PM PDT by blam

Christian Catacombs May Have Jewish Origin

Michael Schirber
LiveScience Staff Writer

Wed Jul 20, 1:43 PM ET

The Roman catacombs are intricate labyrinths of burial chambers that were built roughly between the third and fifth century AD. They are considered among the most important relics of early Christianity.

But a recent study of a Jewish catacomb in Rome finds that it was started a century before the oldest known Christian versions.

In addition to the 60 Christian catacombs that have survived in Rome, there are two Jewish catacombs, which are distinguishable by the decorative artwork and inscriptions that were used.

"Jews were buried only with Jews and Christians only with Christians," says Leonard Rutgers of Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

But the fact that the catacombs are all constructed with similar layouts and architecture suggests a common origin. Rutgers and his colleagues have used radiocarbon dating to show that the Jewish Villa Torlonia catacomb was begun in the second century AD -- and perhaps even earlier -- making it the oldest known of the Roman catacombs.

According to Rutgers, the Roman pagans largely practiced cremation up until the second century, when -- for some unknown reason -- they started burying their dead. However, this was usually in family tombs, not catacombs.

The Roman Jewish community, which dates back to the first century BCE, would have likely chosen to bury rather than cremate their dead. The same would have been true for the early Christians. Perhaps because of a scarcity of land, these groups may have begun excavating the soft volcanic rock, called tufa, outside the city walls.

"Tufa is fairly easy to work with, and it hardens once it's been exposed to the air," Rutgers told LiveScience in a telephone interview.

Some of the catacombs extend for hundreds of yards and have multiple levels. Bodies were placed in niches, or "loculi," that were carved out of the walls. Rows of these loculi extend from floor to ceiling. Although an exact number is not known, thousands upon thousands of tombs line the hundreds of miles that make up Rome's underground cemeteries.

Rutgers' team carefully extracted pieces of charcoal from the layer of lime used to seal tombs in Villa Torlonia. The charcoal, which was burned to convert limestone into lime, is essentially the only organic samples that remain in the catacombs.

"It's very humid down there, so there are no bones left. They have all disintegrated," Rutgers said. "The charcoal survived because it was hardened in fire."

The dating of charcoal from several tombs shows a range of ages -- with the earliest near the catacomb entrance, becoming progressively later as one goes deeper down the long, dark corridors.

The results are described in the July 21 issue of the journal Nature. The authors stress that a similar sort of radiocarbon dating is necessary in Christian catacombs to confirm their uncertain ages.

Regardless of whether another catacomb is found to be older, Rutgers said that the larger point is that Jews and Christians coexisted peacefully for centuries and clearly influenced each other's cultures.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientrome; archaeology; catacombs; christian; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; have; history; italy; jewish; may; orogin; romanempire
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1 posted on 07/22/2005 3:31:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 07/22/2005 3:32:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

When I toured the Catacombs a lot of years ago, the guide brought up this point -- presumably, it was thought about a long time ago, but there was nothing scientific to back it up.


3 posted on 07/22/2005 3:35:36 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: blam

Christianity is an off shoot of Judaism.

Why would this finding from the early years of the church be such a surprise?


4 posted on 07/22/2005 3:37:29 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: blam

Pardon me, but...well, duh.


5 posted on 07/22/2005 3:38:01 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: blam

not a problem--Jesus and Most of his disciples were Jews--
Now if some dumbass were to change Jewish origin to Islamic (as the mad Muslims seem intent upon doing) There
would most clearly be a problem.


6 posted on 07/22/2005 3:41:22 PM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Sure beats me!


7 posted on 07/22/2005 3:43:52 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: blam

Wasn't that proven in an Indiana Jones movie?


8 posted on 07/22/2005 4:12:44 PM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: blam

It mystifies me when some people use the 'BCE' or 'Before Common Era' in books and articles ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! I saw a guidebook of sites of interest in Isreal relating to the life of Christ, and for some reason the dates were all labeled BCE.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 5:17:22 PM PDT by PioneerDrive (Don't fence me in.)
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To: blam; Salvation; NYer

Sw.Piotr thank you


10 posted on 07/22/2005 5:52:06 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Nie b¹dŸ pochopny w duchu do gniewu, bo gniew przebywa w piersi g³upców)
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To: blam; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ..

This catacomb drawing is an early holy image of Mary.

11 posted on 07/22/2005 7:01:48 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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"Jews were buried only with Jews and Christians only with Christians," says Leonard Rutgers of Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

It is not at all surprising that Jews dug catacombs prior to Christianity. My understanding has long been that many of the early Christians in Rome were former pagans, but a fair amount were also Jews. However, many of the Jews who did not become Christians became very fearful that continued association with the Christians would further endanger them, and this lead to the ostracism.

12 posted on 07/22/2005 7:13:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam. As did many conquered peoples, the Jews headed for Rome. According to Michael Grant, a significant fraction of the Empire's total population was Jewish. Y'know, before the massacre of Alexandria and such.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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13 posted on 07/23/2005 12:02:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: PioneerDrive
It mystifies me when some people use the 'BCE' or 'Before Common Era' in books and articles ABOUT CHRISTIANITY!

Because BC -- Before Christ is inaccurate.
History shows that Herod the Great died in 4 BCE. So Jesus of Narereth would have been born at least by then. Can you have Christ four years "Before Christ" ???

14 posted on 07/24/2005 5:06:27 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

"Why would this finding from the early years of the church be such a surprise?"

Startling new data from the Student-of-the-Obvious Commission.


15 posted on 07/24/2005 5:10:48 AM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: blam
makes sense, most early Christians were Jews.
16 posted on 07/24/2005 1:18:31 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Casekirchen
Wasn't that proven in an Indiana Jones movie?

Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade:

Jones and Schneider are in the Catacombs, she sees a painting on the wall and blows off some cobwebs.

Dr. Elsa Schneider: What's this one?

Indiana Jones: Ark of the Covenant.
Dr. Elsa Schneider: Are you sure?
Indiana Jones: Pretty sure.

17 posted on 07/24/2005 1:25:20 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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To: fatnotlazy
When I toured the Catacombs a lot of years ago, the guide brought up this point -- presumably, it was thought about a long time ago, but there was nothing scientific to back it up.

Often common sense is all that's necessary. Christianity is the child of Judaism, and inherited most, if not all of its secular as well as spiritual ceremonies.
Christianity outgrew and outnumbered Judaism until we arrive at the present state. It is both logical and expected that the Christians not only coexisted with Jews in the catacombs, but eventually outnumbered them.

18 posted on 07/24/2005 1:28:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: PioneerDrive
It mystifies me when some people use the 'BCE' or 'Before Common Era' in books and articles ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! I saw a guidebook of sites of interest in Isreal relating to the life of Christ, and for some reason the dates were all labeled BCE.

Well, for one of a number of reasons, because Jesus was not born in the year 1. Most scholars recognize that this was a dating error perpetrated in the 4th century. Jesus was born, I believe, a few years earlier.

19 posted on 07/25/2005 4:09:00 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Publius6961
Christianity is the child of Judaism, and inherited most, if not all of its secular as well as spiritual ceremonies.

Not exactly true. Christianity renounces Jewish law, which is why Christians eat pig meat.

20 posted on 07/25/2005 4:12:38 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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