Posted on 10/06/2005 6:44:13 PM PDT by aft_lizard
After a few days of arguing over the Miers nomination for the Supreme Court I am rather sick of it. I have been arguing for her even though I know little about her. I think she is a fine individual and probably a good Christian , and I think her qualifications are just fine. After all 35 of 55 Founding Fathers were lawyers, does that mean the other 20 werent qualified?But I digress to write this because I am moving into the No category.
I decided this not because I dont like her, I personally feel that she would make a fine Justice, but her simple nomination has torn the base apart. I think it would do us and the RNC good if we all united against her, because as it stands right now we are becoming laughing stocks to the otherside, and if there is one thing I hate ,and thats to be laughed at by commies. We all need to stop the name calling, the troll insults and the Bush-bot insults and well all of them, and yes I am guilty of it too. I wont be a vociferous voice against her, you will probably still hear me defend her and the President, like I have been doing.
I urge a consensus from the base to emerge over this.The poll on FR is showing the Yes crowd with 30.3% the nos with 24.4% and the need more info at 41.8%(the hillarys dont count), and this is the member poll results.I dont think it would be to unfair to reason that if you were to poll the base outside of FR the results would be the same, and that is dangerous for any party. Sure it shows that we arent a lockstep party, or a lockstep ideology, with the powers that be. But if a movement is to survive it has to have a secure foundation, and right now I see the foundation rumbling as if to fracture.
The party is *not* going to split; some people might leave, but the ones that do probably never supported Bush in the first place; you know, people just taking on the moniker of Republican because there's one in the White House and they don't 'fit' with any other party.
You know who they are: the real RINOs.
Whoever it is, all hell is going to break loose.
I can best that link with this one!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1496114/posts?page=60#60
Dear lord.
Ugly, ugly.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498096/posts?page=64#64 ... it ceases to be funny after awhile.
Horrible. I think we must have sleeper cells here.
A few of the early states were established over just such issues. Slave v free?... gimme a break! One would think the species is beyond that, but who kills more of their unborn per capita? Jesse 'abortum' Jackson and Louis 'mothership' Farrakhan must be so proud!
That might make YOU feel good, but would it be the best thing for the country? There are a lot of folks who are lukewarm, at best, about politics. We need those folks on our side, and a knock down drag out fight over Supreme Court Justice would probably seem just totally stupid to them and make them turn against the Republican party and vote them out of office. Then where would we be?
Besides which, the fight will never be finished, even if we ground the Democrats into the dust over this. It's not just he Dems, but the MSM that we have to fight, and face it, they have the biggest megaphones.
Oh, I think you are exactly correct!
There is FAR too much rancor these days among ourselves. Checking the dates when 'posters' first entered the site, the detractors are not trolls. We are eating our own.
Let's lighten up, when we can; we are among friends after all.
I support the nominee: I remember the initial reaction to Roberts; most of the hollow arguments in opposition 'went away' within days. GWB has picked one of his most trusted advisors. Whether there is a public record regarding her service or not, I do not believe he has chosen incorrectly. She led his SEARCH which in turn is serving to create his particular legacy with the SCOTUS. He saw in her the qualities he wanted to have in place by the time he leaves.
It is not unlike state governments looking 'out of state' for consultants to assist them with tasks which could quite capably be handled by people within the state. And,in the end, at far less cost, with results reflective of the particular state's reality that experienced people do understand how a state's programs can be improved when given the chance for meaningful input.
And no, I am not a state worker, but rather in the private sector. However, this state has spent millions hiring consultants to advise it regarding how to better manage its Workers comp program, its public employees insurance program, its Medicaid program, its welfare program, its food stamp program.....
The litany of consultants here is long; the results are 'short'.
If you still believe it, then go with that belief.
Roe IS the symbolic cornerstone of modern day liberals changing WE THE PEOPLE into WE THE JUDGES. I believe Miers represents a much bigger threat to Roe than Roberts made others think he was, and the two of them together make perhaps an even more formidable team than Roberts and Luttig would, or Roberts and JRB would.
I was against her nomination, and I still worry about how she'll come off compared to Roberts, who was a tough, tough act to follow.
But right now, when things get tough, I think of Jim Robinson and what he taught me in my time here.
Never get in bed with Democrats - never.
As they say, the jury is out whether the nomination of Harriet Miers will affect the base vote in 2006 and beyond. Future events beyond our control can drastically alter the political climate a little over a year from now.
I do not normally cite polls, but here goes anyway.
Do you approve of President Bush's nomination of John Roberts for the Supreme Court?
Members Opinion:
Yes.....87.8%
Pass.....8.1%
No.........4.1%
Total Votes....2,680
Do you approve of President Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court?
Members Opinion:
Need more info.....41.4%
Yes..........................30.2%
No...........................26.5%
I'm voting Hillary...2.6%
Pass..........................2.1%
Total Votes....4,221
Two obvious things are interesting here. First, the poll for John Roberts apparently did not include other categories. The options were Yes, Pass and No. Second, the difference between the Yes votes in both polls is inflated by the Need More Information and I'm Voting Hillary categories. The other categories should have been eliminated in the poll for Harriet Miers to provide a fair comparison.
How does this bear on the question of whether Harriet Miers should be confirmed for the Supreme Court? I am unable to currently answer that question, therefore I need more information which I hope the Senate hearings will provide. If the poll was put to me right now as Yes, No or Pass, I would vote Pass.
Would I have preferred someone else to have been nominated? Yes.
Would I have liked to pick a fight with the dumos over a nomination? Yes.
For better or worse it appears those options are not on the table, unless one or more of the self-appointed, Republican "princes" of the Judiciary Committee decides to vote no. The only other option available to defeat the President's Nominee is a fillibuster, not a likely prospect given that the Republican half of the Gang of Twelve have appointed themselves "apostles" without a "king." The democrat half of that Gang are "stuck on stupid." To describe them as "apostles" would be blasphamous; "moonzots" would be a better description. Of course the Republicans could go "nuclear", but as we have seen already they do not have the courage to do so.
I agree, and have been saying the same thing for a few days now.
I hope that if they actually attempt to smear her as "the Church Lady", her demeanor will make that work against them. Today Noonan claimed that nobody really liked SNL's "Church Lady", but maybe Miers will defuse that imagery with charm and humility, and make it work hard against anybody who tries to smear her with it.
"Degenerate perspective" is so accurate!
Thanx for the post ... had the feeling that not a soul was actually reading these things, just posting by anti-Meirs talking points.
Whoever said God moves in mysterious ways couldn't have been more right.
Can you believe that post? I mean, Roe v. Wade isn't enough? LOL.
If you nominate Rogers Brown, Luttig, or Jones, the number becomes 60, as the Democrats would surely filibuster (they already tipped their hand). Charles Schumer sent the veiled warning before the nomination. There's no telling what was spoken behind closed doors.
As for the Constitutional Option (not the nuclear option), the RINO Gang of 14 has enough "power" to keep it from being exercised.
President Bush is the consummate poker player when it comes to these matters. I haven't worked with Ms. Miers, so I don't have the ability to say that she isn't the most qualified.
I think it would be prudent for all of us to take a deep breath and actually watch the proceedings.
Nobody here put any credence in anything he says.
Wow with your vast intellect and those of a few others on this thread, the world has no need for pundits like Kristol.
I never suggested he is right about everything, but most other conservative writers have agreed with his current viewpoint on the nomination.
Only people who cannot complete their own thought processes need people like Kristol to tell them what to think.
And it's not a FEW OTHERS; it's practically everybody on FR who can comprehend Engligh and politics.
We are largely objecting to the passing over of many others for a crony, a friend, a person who's biggest achievement is her relationship to GWB and the positions he has given her.
Sounds like politics in Latin America to me, not the United States.
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