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Scientists Show We've Been Losing Face For 10,000 Years
The Times (UK) ^ | 11-20-2005 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 11/20/2005 1:21:49 PM PST by blam

The Sunday Times November 20, 2005

Scientists show we’ve been losing face for 10,000 years

Jonathan Leake, Science Editor

THE human face is shrinking. Research into people’s appearance over the past 10,000 years has found that our ancestors’ heads and faces were up to 30% larger than now. Changes in diet are thought to be the main cause. The switch to softer, farmed foods means that jawbones, teeth, skulls and muscles do not need to be as strong as in the past.

The shrinkage has been blamed for a surge in dental problems caused by crooked or overlapping teeth.

“Over the past 10,000 years there has been a trend toward rounder skulls with smaller faces and jaws,” said Clark Spencer Larsen, professor of anthropology at Ohio State University.

“This began with the rise in farming and the increasing use of cooking, which began around 10,000 years ago.”

His conclusions are based on measurements from thousands of teeth, jawbones, skulls and other bones collected from prehistoric sites around the world.

Skulls from the site of a 9,000-year-old city in Turkey — thought to be the world’s oldest — show that the faces of city-dwellers had already begun to shrink compared with contemporaries who had not settled down.

Details will be reported at a forthcoming conference on the global history of health. Larsen will suggest that a typical human of 10,000 years ago would have had a much heavier build overall because of the hard work needed to gather food and stay alive.

He said: “Many men then would have had the shape of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s head while women might have looked more like Camilla [the Duchess of Cornwall]. By contrast, Tony Blair and George Bush are good examples of the more delicate modern form.”

Other studies are confirming Larsen’s findings. George Armelagos, professor of anthropology at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, has made extensive measurements on people from Nubia in modern Egypt and Sudan to see how their appearance has changed.

He found that the top of the head, or cranial vault, had grown higher and more rounded, a pattern also seen in human remains found at sites in other parts of the world.

Charles Loring Brace, professor of anthropology at the University of Michigan, said: “Human faces are shrinking by 1%-2% every 1,000 years.

“What’s more, we are growing less teeth. Ten thousand years ago everyone grew wisdom teeth but now only half of us get them, and other teeth like the lateral incisors have become much smaller. This is evolution in action.”

Softer food may not be the only cause. Some scientists blame sexual selection — the preference of prehistoric people for partners with smaller faces.

Dr Simon Hillson, of the Institute of Archaeology at University College London, has studied humans living from 26,000 years ago to about 8,000 years ago. He measured 15,000 prehistoric teeth, jaws and skulls collected by museums around the world and found the same pattern of shrinking faces.

He said: “The presumption is that people must have chosen mates with smaller, shorter faces — but quite why this would be is less clear.”


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To: Ichneumon
Thanks for the ping, and nice response. I had forgotten that good post by longshadow.

BTW--we can add arkenologist (darn, I used to be able to spell that) to his list of experts.

221 posted on 11/20/2005 5:12:44 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Ichneumon
Heck, the pro-evolution ping list has *320* names on it.

It's 322 as of today. It grows about 10 per month, more or less. And in a recent thread about ping lists, it turns out that the evolution list is one of the largest.

222 posted on 11/20/2005 5:15:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: ValerieUSA

That does not make any sense at all...not brushing my teeth, so as to allow some of them to fall out, thus accomodating my wisdom teeth is silly...that is like cutting off my nose so as to spite my face...

Sorry, but your argument falls short...


223 posted on 11/20/2005 5:16:33 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Mamzelle
Gee, for some reason we can't agree on a plain defintion of evolution..? [...] Selection for type+geo isolation+beeellions and beeellions of years=emergence of independent species...this was what I was taught. What's wrong with it?

Here's what's wrong:

1. "Selection for type" is an incorrect description, and in any case selection is only one of the driving forces of evolutionary change.

2. Geographic isolation is one factor which can facilitate speciation, but is only one, and is in no way required.

3. Speciation doesn't take "beelions of years".

4. Even the term "independent species" is incorrect and misleading, divergent species are often not "independent".

5. Evolution encompasses many kinds of genetic change in populations, including those which do not involve speciation at all.

If that's all of "what you were taught" there was to evolution, then either get your money back, or go back and pay more attention next time.

224 posted on 11/20/2005 5:16:48 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: zeeba neighba
I just think of you as angry Bob.

Go right ahead. I don't think of you at all.

225 posted on 11/20/2005 5:17:31 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Then we have the perfect relationship


226 posted on 11/20/2005 5:18:06 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: zeeba neighba

Of course, behavior kills lots of young people, no one is disputing that...I am just saying that behavior is not the same as a medical condition...


227 posted on 11/20/2005 5:19:08 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
I have been waiting a very long time for editor-surveyor to produce his survey, which supports his claim that only 1 in every 10,000 Freepers believe evolution is possible...I suspect now, as I did some time ago, that editor-surveyor likes to make things up, skewed by his own wishful thinking... Should he produce a valid survey which proves me wrong, I will apologize..until then, I think he is just saying what makes him feel comfortable...

That's a pretty good description of almost every anti-evo I've ever met, actually (and I've been debating this issue with hundreds of them for more than twenty years), which is very sad indeed.

228 posted on 11/20/2005 5:19:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: manwiththehands
Uh, right. Back to biology (and theology) class for YOU my FRiend. "Selection" dictates everything from good looking and intelligent kids coming from good looking and intelligent parents to cat breeding. "Evolution" dictates a "new and improved" SPECIES from a random mutation that is NOT ONLY beneficial to the new species but self-replicating to future generations. The difference between natural or artificial "selection" and "evolution" is enormous.

Are you denying that there are mutations in the genetic code during reproduction?

229 posted on 11/20/2005 5:20:36 PM PST by mikegi
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To: Ichneumon
re: I've been debating this issue with hundreds of them for more than twenty years), which is very sad indeed.)))

LOL--well, this story may make you sad, but it could be a source of amusement to others.

230 posted on 11/20/2005 5:20:54 PM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: Oblongata

There was an article posted here, I think, just a couple of weeks ago, that purported that the most significant cause of differences in female face size is level of estrogen and testosterone.

In females with smaller faces, supposedly larger stores of estrogen caused the browbone and jaw to stop growing fairly early on. With women who had decreased amounts of estrogen or increased amounts of testosterone, the opposite was true.

So, maybe girls with small faces are more fertile too?


231 posted on 11/20/2005 5:21:26 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: Ichneumon

"Heck, the pro-evolution ping list has *320* names on it. Is it really your bizarre contention that there are at least 3,200,000 registered Freepers total, and that EVERY ONE who didn't sign up for the pro-evo ping list is, without exception, anti-evolution? Because that's the *only* way your fantasy claim could be true."

I've got my own ping list (the video game ping list), and from my experience the percentage of people who sign up for the list compared to the number of people who I see on this forum who play video games is pretty small (I'm not actually on the Evo ping list either, the threads get enough posts so that they're easy to spot without it).


232 posted on 11/20/2005 5:22:09 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Ichneumon

I still have not seen evidence of domesticated wolves/dogs from hundreds of thousands of years ago.

As of June, 2003, the oldest human skulls discovered were estimated to be between 156,000 and 160,000 years old, and no canine skulls were discovered at that Ethiopian site.


233 posted on 11/20/2005 5:22:39 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: andysandmikesmom

Yes, but if statisticly, if it's true that accidents are the leading cause of death among teenagers and young people, then you have the prime breeding age for the species at risk. And it's probably been like that forever. So impacted wisdom teeth, flu, accidents they'd all be grouped together, none being more lethal than another.


234 posted on 11/20/2005 5:25:02 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: manwiththehands
" Choosing a mate because she has a pretty face is natural SELECTION, NOT "evolution"."

It's neither. I's either lookism or sexism and not PC. It must be stopped, LOL.

235 posted on 11/20/2005 5:25:25 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Ichneumon

Usually I dont get too involved in evolution vs ID/creationism threads...tho lately, I have taken more and more notice of them, and its very interesting to see...I like to get correct information from both sides and then weigh the two...

Remarks like that coming from editor-surveyor, tend to make me want to not even read his posts, because I see that he obviously makes things up....


236 posted on 11/20/2005 5:26:15 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Mamzelle

lol. It is funny isn't it?


237 posted on 11/20/2005 5:26:35 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: andysandmikesmom; ValerieUSA
That does not make any sense at all...not brushing my teeth, so as to allow some of them to fall out, thus accomodating my wisdom teeth is silly...that is like cutting off my nose so as to spite my face...

Sorry, but your argument falls short...


Have not read most of this thread, but the wisdom teeth comment stirred a memory.

The reason we have problems is the lack of interproximal wear (that is, wear between adjoining teeth). That wear was caused by chewing tough foods, not the slop we eat today. Teeth flexed slightly up and down in the mandible and maxilla, causing slight wear between teeth. This interproximal wear, in prehistoric peoples at least, caused the teeth to drift forward slightly over time, creating just enough room for the molars when they erupted.

Problems can be reduced by disking between the teeth, that it, abrading a slight amount of enamel between adjoining teeth, creating extra room for tooth to drift forward. Few dentists have even heard of this.

238 posted on 11/20/2005 5:26:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: sourcery
"Evolution deniers will have rather long faces after reading this.."

Oh, yeah...that really shows that humans are evolving into something else. Why, before you know it, we won't have faces at all. Please.

/heavy sarcasm off

239 posted on 11/20/2005 5:27:25 PM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: andysandmikesmom

Brushing teeth is cultural behavior - it is counter natural. The natural condition is to lose teeth. Our evolutionary response to that was to grow in wisdom teeth. Now have our dental hygiene habits triggered an evolution toward no wisdom teeth? Or do people who lack wisdom teeth belong to the earlier category of human evolution prior to the development of wisdom teeth?


240 posted on 11/20/2005 5:28:09 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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