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Report Examines Ancient Mexican Footprints
Yahoo (AP) ^ | Wed Nov 30, 8:34 PM ET | JENN WIANT

Posted on 12/01/2005 5:32:22 AM PST by The_Victor

LONDON - Footprints discovered in Mexico are either more than 1 million years older than other evidence of humans in the Western Hemisphere or not footprints at all, according to a new report to be published in the journal Nature on Thursday.

In July, researchers in England claimed the prints proved that humans were in the Americas 40,000 years ago — much earlier than the accepted date of 11,500 years ago.

But Paul Renne, director of the Berkeley Geochronology Center and an adjunct professor at University of California-Berkeley, says the prints are about 1.3 million years old.

"You're really only left with two possibilities," Renne said. "One is that they are really old hominids — shockingly old — or they're not footprints."

The footprints were first discovered by a team of British scientists in 2003 in an abandoned quarry close to the Cerro Toluquilla volcano in the Valsequillo Basin, near Puebla, Mexico. The researchers hypothesized that early hunters walked across ash freshly deposited near a lake by volcanoes that are still active. The so-called footprints, subsequently covered by more ash and inundated by lake waters, eventually turned to rock.

The new study was conducted by geologists at the Berkeley Geochronology Center and the University of California, Berkeley, who were part of an investigative team of geologists and anthropologists from the United States and Mexico.

Paleoanthropologist Tim White, professor of integrative biology at UC Berkeley, said he was not surprised at the new finding.

"The evidence (the British team) has provided in their arguments that these are footprints is not sufficient to convince me they are footprints," said White, who did not contribute to the new study.

The oldest accepted human fossil from the Americas is an 11,500-year-old skull. Homo sapiens are not thought to have appeared in Africa until about 160,000 years ago.

Geologist Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool's John Moores University, who was the leader of the British team, said she would not rule out the possibility that her theory was correct without doing further research.

"The new finding doesn't necessarily mean that (1.3 million years ago) is the correct date. The results would need to be replicated to make sure that everything makes sense," Gonzalez told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday.

She also said part of the problem in verifying the dates of the deposits in Mexico's Valsaquillo Basin is the amount of different materials in the particles.

"But the fact that that is the case doesn't automatically mean that they aren't footprints," Gonzalez said. Her team has funding to do further analysis in the basin for the next three years, she said.

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On the Net:

Mexican Footprints Study: http://www.mexicanfootprints.co.uk


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs
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1 posted on 12/01/2005 5:32:22 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor

I am more interested in the modern ones found at our borders.


2 posted on 12/01/2005 5:35:18 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: The_Victor
"...Footprints discovered in Mexico are either more than 1 million years older than other evidence of humans in the Western Hemisphere or not footprints at all,...">

Pardon me while I hold my enthusiasm in reserve...

3 posted on 12/01/2005 5:36:21 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
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To: The_Victor
Repost of 3 yesterday

"Search" is your friend.

4 posted on 12/01/2005 5:37:41 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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5 posted on 12/01/2005 5:40:44 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: xcamel

I saw the postings from yesterday, this is a new article.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 5:41:44 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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7 posted on 12/01/2005 5:42:54 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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Similar article posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1531402/posts
8 posted on 12/01/2005 5:45:22 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

Which way were they headed?


9 posted on 12/01/2005 5:47:49 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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Repost of 3 yesterday

Would you post links to the other two previous articles? My searches on the above title and any subset of words in that title are still only turning up one hit.

10 posted on 12/01/2005 5:59:25 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
2 were pulled as dupes.

The interesting story is the dating war between the two teams studying the "prints"

11 posted on 12/01/2005 6:05:04 AM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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12 posted on 12/01/2005 6:22:24 AM PST by Jeff F
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One million years, 200,000 years in Barstow, CA, 40,000 years in Mexico or 11,500 years for Clovis. Somebody really must rethink the presence of man in North America.
13 posted on 12/01/2005 7:03:04 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: The_Victor

So a footprint is a footprint if it agrees with their theory and not a footprint if it... well you know.

Idiot scientists... NOT!


15 posted on 12/01/2005 4:35:35 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I don't know if I want any creation vs. evolution pings. Some people on this list assume you're a kook just for asking a provocative, but honest question.

If these are footprints, it seems we have another option. That these rock layers are not as old as they are said to be. *Gasp*

Judging by the pictures, I'm not convinced the "footprints" are real.

16 posted on 12/01/2005 4:42:43 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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"You're really only left with two possibilities," Renne said. "One is that they are really old hominids — shockingly old — or they're not footprints."

I'm sure glad that there are ONLY two possibilities!!!!!!!

17 posted on 12/01/2005 5:06:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: The_Victor

Sixty to one says that Darwinists without inspection will "find" that they are not footprints. /sarc


18 posted on 12/01/2005 6:27:08 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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Check the pics in post 5 and 7. Call me skeptical, but unless they are in a walking pattern, I don't think they are footprints.
19 posted on 12/01/2005 8:07:18 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
Call me skeptical, but unless they are in a walking pattern, I don't think they are footprints.

Does this help?

If they are footprints and 1.3 million years old, what biped was it?

20 posted on 12/01/2005 9:53:32 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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