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History Buff Thinks He Has Found 1585 English Fort - Tract Predates Lost Colony
News Observer ^ | 3-3-2007 | Jerry Allegood

Posted on 03/03/2007 4:39:51 PM PST by blam

History buff thinks he has found 1585 English fort Tract predates Lost Colony

Jerry Allegood, Staff Writer

MANTEO - Amateur historian Scott Dawson thinks he has found what archaeologists and historians have sought for decades -- the site of an English fort on Roanoke Island linked to the legendary Lost Colony. Dawson, a Civil War buff, said that documents written centuries apart led him to an overgrown tract where he believes explorer Ralph Lane established a settlement in 1585.

The site, on the northern end of the island about 200 miles east of Raleigh, is on National Park Service property but not within the Fort Raleigh Historic Site or the area targeted by dozens of searches.

He said he could not conclusively say that the findings, which he made public last month, confirm the site as Fort Raleigh, but he said clues from historical documents are credible.

"It's not like I was duck hunting and found it," he said. "The primary sources led me to that site."

Some archeologists and historians are skeptical about the discovery, saying it more likely contains Civil War remains.

Either way, it's significant.

"There's no question it's big news," park service historian Doug Stover said.

Dawson agrees that Confederate and Union troops left their marks on the site, but he contends that came later and on top of the 1585 remains. The 1585 fort, which was abandoned a year later, is not as popularly known as another ill-fated group that arrived in the same location in 1587 and became known as "The Lost Colony" after disappearing. Historians say the so-called first colony was important because it contributed to the success of Jamestown, established to the north in 1607.

Nicholas Luccketti, an archaeologist with the James River Institute for Archaeology in Williamsburg, Va., is one of the skeptics. He thinks the area Dawson has pinpointed was the site of a Civil War encampment and that freed slaves also lived there. He said earthworks built in the 16th century would likely have been leveled or eroded away.

"I would be pleasantly surprised and shocked if it has anything to do with the 16th century settlements," he said.

Still, the park service has placed security monitors around the site to deter intruders and is planning additional research in the next few weeks.

Stover said a park service archaeology team from Tallahassee, Fla., will examine the Roanoke Island site with underground scanning devices and will dig test pits. The team will look for post holes, musket balls and pieces of clay pots made by the English.

Dawson said evidence from the Civil War bolsters his contention that Civil War soldiers made camp at the same spot as their predecessors, he said. For instance, he scoured regimental histories and read first-person accounts of soldiers who referred to camping on the older fort. A letter from William Derby, a soldier in a Massachusetts unit mentioned that guards were posted to protect the original fort.

Confederate documents do not say where Confederates camped, he said, but references to a ravine where they discarded weapons and equipment helped identify geographical features mentioned in 16th-century documents. He found a ravine near a point of land described in earlier accounts. He also looked for sources of fresh water that would support settlements.

Dawson found mounds that appeared to be earthworks and discolorations in the sandy soil that appeared to be post holes. With park service permission, he scanned the area with a metal detector and picked up evidence of iron and copper but not lead and zinc. He said Civil War sites usually contain lead and zinc because bullets were commonly made from those metals.

Until the site is excavated, he said, "it's still a mystery."

A native of Hatteras Island, Dawson, 28, is a historical re-enactor at Roanoke Island Festival Park, a state facility near Manteo that highlights the early English settlements with historical programs.

Excavations in the 1990s found evidence of a 1585 workshop set up by scientist Thomas Hariot and metallurgist Joachim Gans inside and outside the restored fort.

The disappearance of the 1587 colonists has become part of the region's lore and legend. The story inspired an outdoor drama, "The Lost Colony," which is performed during the summer at an outdoor theater near the historic site.

Luccketti said the site of 1585 Fort Raleigh is worth pursuing.

"It's one of America's great historical mysteries," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1585; english; godsgravesglyphs; history; roanoke

1 posted on 03/03/2007 4:39:57 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Pharmboy

Ping.


2 posted on 03/03/2007 4:40:34 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
History Buff Searches For Lost Colony (Roanoke)
3 posted on 03/03/2007 4:42:22 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Wonder how far away from the "Mother Vine" this is?


4 posted on 03/03/2007 4:43:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Constitution Day
You know anything about this?

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5 posted on 03/03/2007 4:44:07 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: blam
America was founded by somebody named Ralph?

Much is explained.

6 posted on 03/03/2007 4:46:09 PM PST by Grut
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To: blam
Croatoan
7 posted on 03/03/2007 4:53:09 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: blam

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8 posted on 03/03/2007 4:56:19 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Grut
Not America, but TV LAND!


9 posted on 03/03/2007 4:57:12 PM PST by JOE6PAK (blithering intellectual.)
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To: blam

A spot that was a good location to build a fort in 1863 was probably a good location to build a fort in 1585.


10 posted on 03/03/2007 5:03:50 PM PST by RonF
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To: blam
Martin's Hundred, founded a few years after Jamestown, was built on top of a previous Huguenot (fur trading) post established sometime in the late 1500s.

Another Huguenot settlement from that period is somewhere around the Breton Bay region of Chesapeake Bay.

The earliest "census" of early Virginia and what became Maryland had an estimate of over 20,000 European people already resident on the Eastern Shore of the DelMarVa Peninsula ~ before Lord DeLaWare arrived to save Jamestown.

There was a lot of history around Chesapeake Bay and Albermarle Sound long before anyone got here to write it down.

Oh, yeah, almost forgot, down the road a few miles just outside the Mason Neck area there was an Indian village that manufactured pottery about the time John Smith sailed up to Rosslyn on the Potomac to get saved by Pocahontas. It had a population well in excess of 20,000 people. Early Virginia settlers knew all about the hospitality available in what seems to have been a remarkably civilized little burg.

11 posted on 03/03/2007 5:07:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RonF
And, going back further, it was probably a good site to build a warcamp before the Europeans arrived, and more than a few hunting camps, and maybe even some permanent villages.

Odds are good there was both a hot spring and a cold spring near the area, and a fast flowing stream to take away sewage.

There are probably materials at the site dating back more than 10,000 years.

12 posted on 03/03/2007 5:10:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Starbucks wants in.


13 posted on 03/03/2007 5:33:39 PM PST by battlegearboat
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To: muawiyah
"There are probably materials at the site dating back more than 10,000 years. "

Maybe older in the region.

Archaeologist's Find Could Shake Up Science (Topper Site)

14 posted on 03/03/2007 5:34:32 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Nice post. Something to take our minds off current affairs. We, sorry, some of us need to get back into the deep past. I have accessed VDARE.com. Lots of information on the "lost colony".

In my native England, the misguided are decrying many of the things that the English speaking peoples should be proud of. Teaching minorities to despise what we have been. Strangely enough, our friends who declared independence from us, are "digging up" some of our history. (laughs)

15 posted on 03/03/2007 7:39:36 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
To be perfectly clear.

If one accesses VDARE.com. One should hit, Why VDARE?

She was Virginia Dare who was the first child born in the colony.

16 posted on 03/03/2007 7:45:06 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

You are too kind. We really don't speak English: we mispronounce foreign words differently.


17 posted on 03/03/2007 7:52:52 PM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam.

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18 posted on 03/04/2007 6:50:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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