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Global Warming: No Match for the Coming Ice Age
The Skeptical Optimist ^ | October 8, 2007 | The Skeptical Optimist

Posted on 10/08/2007 2:19:57 PM PDT by RobFromGa

Global Warming: No Match for the Coming Ice Age

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According to Dr. Mark McMenamin of Mt. Holyoke College...

[G]laciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.
   

How the Earth was Made
A brand new two-hour documentary, How the Earth was Made, is now showing on The History Channel.  Be sure to catch it if you can, because it is the best of its kind I've ever seen.  [Link is at the bottom of this article.]

Most of the program is a chronological exposition of earth's 4.5 billion year history, pieced together by generations of scientific thought about how to explain the mounting evidence in the geological record.  The first 110 minutes show, in spectacular graphic detail, how earth evolved prior to becoming today's human-friendly environment.  (In order: Hell; then Waterworld; then Iceball; then Jungle; then Today.  Most of the time, life and volcanoes play a huge role.  Don't let that summary spoil it; watch the whole thing.) 

The Coming Ice Age
In the last ten minutes of the program, after covering earth's first 4,499,990,000 years, scientists explain the most recent hundred centuries we've been enjoying. 

It’s definitely not coincidence that civilization has developed over this period of time, because the climate is so favorable to our species to develop and flourish.  The period we live in the moment, climate-wise, over the last let’s say ten thousand years is exceptionally stable, almost unbelievably stable if you look into the geological record.  It certainly will not stay forever like that.
—Dr. Joerg Shaefer, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

What's in store for us in the near future?  I was expecting to hear about the human-induced runaway greenhouse effect that would boil the oceans and turn earth into a Venus-like sulphuric acid pressure cooker.  But I was in for a surprise...

[Narrator:] Our first major challenge will be the climate at the start of the 21st century.  We may worry about global warming, but most scientists recognize that we are in a gap between ice ages.  Our whole civilization has occurred in a brief warm period, ten thousand years so far.  This warmth has proved crucial...

Even if our industrial economies effect a global warming over the next couple of centuries, it can do no more than delay the inevitable.

[Dr. McMenamin:] The New York area is going to be completely changed by the next cycle of glaciation, and at some point glaciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.

In other words, earth-induced global freezing will overwhelm any human-induced global warming.  [Come to think of it, maybe George Carlin wasn't far off the mark when he said, "The earth is gonna shake us off like a bad case of fleas."]    

I wonder if the climate models are predicting the approaching Ice Age?  If not, why not?  If so, why haven't we been hearing about it in the mainstream press?  A new Ice Age will make the sea level drop, push humans toward the equator, and severely disrupt economies and national boundaries—if not turn the entire earth into a frozen, Europa-like ice ball.  Seems to me that's newsworthy. 

Fortunately, the documentary implies we have a few hundred years to prepare for the new Ice Age.  Wouldn't it be wise to start discussing today how future generations might make an orderly-as-possible transition to the coming, much-colder world? 

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Watch the documentary if you are at all interested in our planet's history.  It is a top quality production.  I caught it on the History Channel, but it's also available for purchase.  Here's the link:
How the Earth was Made



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; globalcooling; globalwarming; myth
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Interesting, I'll have to watch this documentary...
1 posted on 10/08/2007 2:19:59 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: xcamel

FYI


2 posted on 10/08/2007 2:20:28 PM PDT by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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To: OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; BlessedBeGod; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

New!!: Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH

Ping me if you find one I've missed.


interesting......
3 posted on 10/08/2007 2:23:30 PM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: RobFromGa

Sprinkling coal dust on glaciers should have some effect. Cooling down the earth would be tricker.

Mrs VS


4 posted on 10/08/2007 2:26:17 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: RobFromGa
at some point glaciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.

Probably the night Al Gore hosts the premiere of AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH II at the Tribeca Film Festival.

5 posted on 10/08/2007 2:28:19 PM PDT by Argus
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To: RobFromGa

Someone please e-mail this to ALGORE. I’d much rather be warm.


6 posted on 10/08/2007 2:30:23 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: RobFromGa
I watched it several weeks ago. It is extremely informative. I guess we will go back the other way shortly.

7 posted on 10/08/2007 2:30:40 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: RobFromGa

It was excellent.

And it gives the BIG PICTURE that so many global warming alarmists utterly lack.


8 posted on 10/08/2007 2:30:44 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: RobFromGa

The Ice Age is already here but is having some trouble kicking in. When it does, which could be right now, it could snap over in very short order.


9 posted on 10/08/2007 2:30:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I remember all the talk about a “Coming Ice Age” in the mid to late 1970’s. Sprinkling coal dust on glaciers was seriously suggested.

The ice age scenario is far scarier than global warming — although alarmists would have us believe that global warming will cause an ice age too.


10 posted on 10/08/2007 2:32:25 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: xcamel

The ONLY way to prevent the next ice age is to mobilize ALL mankind to embark on a massive program to build and use SUV’s. We must create a whole new carbon credit industry, whereby consumers who do not create and release carbon and buy credits which would the be offset by those that can and will release carbon into our environment.


11 posted on 10/08/2007 2:34:33 PM PDT by C210N
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To: RobFromGa
[Dr. McMenamin:] The New York area is going to be completely changed by the next cycle of glaciation, and at some point glaciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.

But will condo prices go down?

12 posted on 10/08/2007 2:34:36 PM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: RobFromGa
Manhattan will be ground into the Atlantic? Where is the bad news here?
13 posted on 10/08/2007 2:35:09 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: RobFromGa

Global warming > global cooling


14 posted on 10/08/2007 2:35:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: RobFromGa
"We simply cannot afford to gamble. We cannot risk inaction. The scientists who disagree are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored." This quote was taken from the Washington Post in 1972. Many scientists agreed that we were in grave danger. But the fear that gripped these scientists in 1972 was over something called "global cooling."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/99989/global_warming_a_lot_of_hot_air.html Go here for even more chortles at the Global Warming/Cooling Chicken Littles.

15 posted on 10/08/2007 2:37:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SunkenCiv
ping
16 posted on 10/08/2007 2:37:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: RobFromGa

We haven’t fully recovered from that last ice age yet. My glaciology professor said we have a little way to go yet before the turn around. All we will see in our lifetimes is just wierd weather - more unpredictable and warmer. Climate doesn’t change as fast as weather. No need to panic.


17 posted on 10/08/2007 2:37:58 PM PDT by Martins kid
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To: RightWhale
A very unusually long warm period for sure, and it had nothing to do with mankind. Look how short the past "recent" warm periods were, mere spikes.

You look at this data, and you see what the past patterns were, repeating over and over.

The TV show was right, this pattern will likely repeat again. And if we are inducing a warming trend at all, it is probably not a bad thing at all.


18 posted on 10/08/2007 2:38:01 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: RobFromGa
You can find a nice exposition on the topic from Robert Felix. His book, "Not by Fire, but by Ice" details a large number of measured cycles. He believes a large number of those cycles are currently converging toward the start of another ice age. Well documented and researched.

A more sensationalist approach is "The Coming Global Superstorm" cobbled up by Whitley Strieber and Art Bell. It is a concoction of science and fiction intended to entertain.

The lesson I draw from the two works is that climate change is the normal state on Earth. We are fortunate in our capability to see a longer horizon than previous generations. It's something that we can't do a damn thing to change. What we can do is prepare for the inevitable. Put our critical infrastructure for food, power and living arrangements in a location that will remain habitable as the ice age arrives.

Felix notes that the only real difference in an ice age is a drop of temperature sufficient for the collection of snow to be unable to completely melt off. That results in a net increase in snow and ice year over year. Seattle, WA was once under a mile of ice. The area where I live in southeast Idaho was untouched by glaciers. See his book for a view of the prior edge of glaciation across North America.

19 posted on 10/08/2007 2:39:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: C210N
We must create a whole new carbon credit industry, whereby consumers who do not create and release carbon and buy credits which would the be offset by those that can and will release carbon into our environment.

Does methane count? Because if it does, I'm going to grow beans and cabbage, then can the beans and make the cabbage into sauerkraut. I'll make a fortune (and a bit of noise).

P.S. Does lighting up the methane add or subtract from your carbon credits?

20 posted on 10/08/2007 2:40:05 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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