Posted on 05/07/2008 10:22:37 AM PDT by Bokababe
Perhaps some insiders (or those unwillingly part) of the Clintonistas’ administration realized that what we (the USA) were doing was just not right - and so the award/medal could not be called/designated in more accurate terms as the “Re-establishment of the Islamic Caliphate” Medal… So better to have sent in the Girl Scouts - as things would have ended up basically the same as they have, except perhaps with less loss of innocent life. Anyway, it’s is also off of my uniform forever.
My only desire is that in some very small way it may help people to become aware - especially Serbians - that not all Americans are clueless - and that more can/must be done to alert the (civilized/free world) to this horrible situation…Also, I am very very displeased with what the Bush administration has done regarding the issue of Kosovo - as well as with Israel, etc. In fact this part (why the Bush admin is playing along with the islamists) I can not figure out.
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Serbia will never forget Kosovo nor relinquish her, either.
The foreign troops will eventually leave, as they did before, and Serbia will reclaim Kosovo-Metohija.
The mosques built upon the destroyed churches will be taken down and the Christian churches restored.
Bank on it. No power on this earth can stop this, only delay it for a time.
Peace and justice will return to Kosovo alongside the Serb Army.
This is exactly the same thing said by Moslems who want Al-Andalus back.
Its just as pointless. Land is land, no matter what stones are set on it. The important thing is the welfare of your descendants. Serbs don’t lack land.
This desire for Kosovo is irrational and counterproductive and it is holding Serbia and Serbians back.
The Serbian army will have to fight the Albanian Kosovars, and practically speaking will have to “ethnically cleanse” the place to hold on to it; or at least it will have to suppress and subjugate the Kosovars through cruelty. That wish for pointless war and cruelty is immoral, and not justified. Kosovo is not an existential threat to Serbia or Serbians.
Hey dude, when is enough enough for you?
Ew man, bashing Greeks like that, saying that Serbs are “tribal nation” is quite a logical nonsence – nation and tribe are quite different terms in the matter of society form. It just shows you don`t know the basic terms in history of society. You are also projecting about this one – tell us please from which tribe are you? Can you tell me what can we thank your tribe for cultural, scientific, artistic achievement for world civilization or you are as Europeans say from the country that we can only hear of during Olympics opening? Without one particular Serb you`d be using candlelight now.
“The US should ban Greek immigration and declare the lot of them enemies of the people.”
You have some serious problems man.
Jesus, even the name of your country is not of native language but named after spanish king. Dealing with the topic that you have no knowledge of just to show off and make you feel important by bashing oldest nations in Europe, your obsessive need to reply on every post without understanding it, repeating like a parrot same old stupid sentencies that no valid argument sent as reply can lead to the truth, using terms like tribe, communists etc. in same sentence with Serbs as way to describe them,well, that`s funny somehow.
“the majority in that region (Kosovo) was Albanian for centuries”
” these people were the majority in Kosovo since the sixteenth century”
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zzzzzz
Really, if you read all the links I posted you`d see otherwise, but you only choose to read partialy, the parts that could serve you in future for repeating and repeating like posdessed. I never wrote “they were majority” from XVI cent. but that they were always USING forein invaders to get what they wanted – more and more land, coming from Albania SERBIAN LAND OF KOSOVO AND METOHIJA – Turks, Italians, Germans, NATO. As many time you repeate yourself and never read what I sent you so you may understand the situation in Balkans, it really shows that you do not know anything and do not want to.
You know, I didn`t know any Filipino until now and I always thought that they are charming and interesting people. As someone who was born in the most multicultural region of Balkans – Vojvodina (Dukedom), northern serbian province, I find your comments very shallow and narrowminded.
“Filipinos love Americans like no-one else on earth”
Oh how sweet…and pathetic at the same time. Shouldn`t Filipinos love their families and their own country like nothing else at first place? I really find that hard to belive. You remind me of those during-turkish-ocupation converted christians to Islam who started to be more anti-christian than Turks themselves, just to show to their bosses how great muslims they were (at the same time keeping ikons and crosses hidden at their homes). How oportunistic. So are you more American then US government showing how you hate Serbs so much?
You see, your posts are telling a lot about you.
“`Let my people go` is a powerful argument. ”
See, you can be useful sometimes.
“My point is that people are still people regardless of their beliefs, and they deserve consideration as such.”
Well, this is your way of doing this: “Anti-Serb ? Yes, in their present state.” So do you hate also Serbs in Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Greece, UK, USA…? Discusting.
“Forget Kosovo”
You can do that, instead of us.
“Sweden is much closer to Russia than Serbia(6) is”
In Serbia people say they like Russians also because they are far enough.
“Serbia will never forget Kosovo nor relinquish her, either.”
never forget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrNgcF8uls&feature=related
Never is enough for me !
“bashing Greeks like that”
Greeks have a seriously bad attitude vs America. America has my 100% loyalty. I don’t know about you, but it seems to me that all loyal and aware Americans should have a beef against the Greeks as a result of this.
“saying that Serbs are “tribal nation” is quite a logical nonsence “
Its certainly not. That term has in fact been used for a certain kind of nation-state, and various nations fit that very well. It is intended as a disparaging term, in contract to a nation that sees its identity in law and not ethnicity.
“tell us please from which tribe are you?”
I am a native of Manila, a cosmopolitan city. My old country has many tribes (Tagalogs, Ilocanos, etc.), being a nation of dozens of language groups. It is, moreover, a very open and accepting place, where foreigners can easily assimilate. Our presidents have often been of mixed blood, some part Spanish, some part Chinese, etc., just as an example. It is an ethnic melting-pot. We are a natural fit for a melting-pot America. All of the above is irrelevant to this argument anyway.
” Can you tell me what can we thank your tribe for cultural, scientific, artistic achievement “
And how does this matter in this argument ? It is quite beside the point.
“Without one particular Serb you`d be using candlelight now.”
I am an EE, I don’t need a cite of Tesla. And, moreover, Tesla would have been nothing without the opportunities the US gave him. Thats what America is good for, letting people realize their potential without the narrow limits - physical, economic, mental - of their home country.
“Jesus, even the name of your country is not of native language but named after spanish king.”
Er, what does this have to do with this argument ?
“Dealing with the topic that you have no knowledge of just to show off and make you feel important by bashing oldest nations in Europe”
What does age have to do with anything ? Egypt is old, are its policies and attitudes today therefore immune from criticism ?
” your obsessive need to reply on every post without understanding it, repeating like a parrot same old stupid sentencies that no valid argument sent as reply can lead to the truth, using terms like tribe, communists etc. in same sentence with Serbs as way to describe them,well, that`s funny somehow.”
I am not the only obsessive here. My point on this matter is that there is a very narrow understanding of things on your end, a blinkered nationalism and a constrained moral sense that is very wrong according to my education. And, may I add, the argumentative problems on your end are an inability to stick to the point, a failure to address the opponents argument, to bring up irrelevant issues - like age of nations ? The origin of “Philippines” ?
“Shouldn`t Filipinos love their families and their own country like nothing else at first place?”
I think you have lost my meaning, either you have an insufficient grasp of English or you are being deliberately obtuse - Filipinos love Americans like no other people love Americans - better than the Japanese or Koreans or British or Australians, etc. love Americans - not that they love them better than they love their families, that is absurd.
“Really, if you read all the links I posted you`d see otherwise, but you only choose to read partialy, the parts that could serve you in future for repeating and repeating like posdessed. I never wrote “they were majority” from XVI cent. but that they were always USING forein invaders to get what they wanted “
The critical implication of your statement was that Albanians achieved the majority in Kosovo a very long time ago - when do you think that was ? The importance of this is that the current population - the individuals currently living there today - did not in fact come from Albania proper and are natives of the lands they now occupy, in Kosovo.
The means they used 60 to 400 years ago, fair or foul - and I am perfectly willing to grant that the means were foul, humanity being what it is, whether the means were direct invasion, outbreeding, illegal squatting, terrorism, sheep stealing or taking advantage of foreigners - is quite beside the point. What matters is that all the above is of historical interest only, as there is no ethical case for expelling these people from the lands they NOW occupy, and based on established principles of self-determination (Wilsons 14 points, US declaration of independence, etc.) as long as they occupy this land they have a right to declare independence if most of them want to.
This again speaks to your ignorance of the Balkans.
Serbia remains the most ethnically diverse country in the Balkans while the Albanian illegal immigrants have targeted all Serbs, Roma, and Jews via their decades-long ethnic cleansing. Kosovo has been rendered ethnically Albanian Muslim by violence and terror.
Yet you keep accusing the Serbs of doing when they are actually the victims.
Just this too shall pass and Kosovo-Metohija will be Serbian again.
This latest Dhimmi moron is one of the worst we’ve ever seen. Where do these Muhammedan shills spring from, anyway?
Lets see - a successful Serbian return scenario, with no international involvement -
Serbian army drives into Kosovo.
Kosovars fight.
Kosovars flee the fighting.
Serbians overcome Kosovars (this is the likely outcome)
More people flee in fear of the Serbs.
Serbs misbehave and murder/massacre some Kosovars.
More Kosovars flee.
Kosovars start guerilla war.
Serbs fight guerilla war, more atrocities.
More Kosovars flee.
Serbia seals the borders, because they don’t want the Kosovar refugees back, and to prevent aid to guerillas.
Serbia suppresses Kosovar resistance.
So, what do we have at this point ? Odds are a million or more Kosovar refugees, a few thousand dead, and a military government by Serbia over a few million unwilling Kosovars. This is a good thing ?
Stage 2 - scenario 1
Serbia incorporates Kosovo into Serbia proper, holds elections.
Kosovar pro-independence candidates run, win.
Kosovo independence movement begins all over again.
scenario 2
Serbia incorporates Kosovo into Serbia proper, holds elections.
Kosovo pro-independence candidates prevented from running by anti-democratic laws.
Serbia has to maintain military dictatorship over Kosovo to prevent scenario 1
Where is the morality, justice or practicality in this vision ?
Mohammedan shill, me ?
I’m pro-Iraq invasion, pro-profiling, pro-immigration control of ME peoples, etc. et. al. I’m there with Michelle Malkin.
If I’m a Mohammedan shill, then you’ve got no hope, because I’m way to the right (and more anti-Muslim) than most (jeez, some days it seems like 90% or better) people in the US.
You’ve got your Mohammedan shill detector miscalibrated.
He is a quite busy leech is he...
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Do the funky beat
Come on
Lets see - a successful Serbian return scenario, with no international involvement
Serbian army drives into Kosovo.
Illegal immigrants, Jihadists, and desecraters of Christian churches, monasteries, and cemeteries along with other assorted criminals flee.
Legal Serbian, Roma, Jewish, and Christian Albanian residents of Kosovo-Metohiha return to reclaim their homes and places of worship.
Jihad loses.
So, what do we have at this point? A defeat for Jihad and a victory for civilization.
So sorry you're on the wrong end of it all but yes, it's a very, very good thing.
Yep, YOU!
Yes, but a particularly stupid one.
“Wrong as always, little one! “
I wish I was little, unfortunately I am a little too large for my own good ! And much too old, likewise.
“Illegal immigrants, Jihadists, and desecraters of Christian churches, monasteries, and cemeteries along with other assorted criminals flee.”
99% of them women, children and assorted innocents. How ethical of you.
“Legal Serbian, Roma, Jewish, and Christian Albanian residents of Kosovo-Metohiha return to reclaim their homes and places of worship.”
Very doubtful under the circumstances of yet another Balkan war, not that there were very many of them to begin with.
Your way is based on pointless fetishization of the land, driving people to viciousness and cruelty, and the necessary tokenization of the potential victims as inhuman. This is, not perhaps coincidentally, very much like the much too common extremist Muslim inability to see the world from the other point of view, which has confounded so many observers. You have a great deal in common with the people you hate. Consider just how much you differ from the Palestinians - if at all.
Your world must be a scary place, populated as it is by a population of “Muslim shills” at best.
If your favorite movie isn’t “Omega Man” it should be.
my sincere apologies to the apes.
Bump
Sorry to do this but, ding, ding, ding, "Earth to buwaya". Georgia is NOT onboard with "Kosovo independence", in spite of the fact that they know a lot more about Russia than you do:
Georgia has no plans to recognize Kosovo
Georgia has its own "ethnic issues" that outweigh it's need to please the USA in this case.
You have been successfully brainwashed with sound bite propaganda about the Balkans and you haven't a clue what you are saying about any country in the region. You don't understand that once you start scratching the surface of this garbage we have been spoon-fed for the last seventeen years, none of it corresponds to the reality on the ground.
If I thought that you'd actually check out a link or two, I give them to you. But it's apparent that you'd you rather just wallow in lunacy than listen to reason.
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