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1 posted on 11/20/2008 10:10:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Fire them all at GISS and shut it down.
Do it for the global economy.


2 posted on 11/20/2008 10:12:27 AM PST by ValerieTexas
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Fire them all at GISS and shut it down.
Do it for the global economy.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 10:12:29 AM PST by ValerieTexas
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To: All; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Marine_Uncle; BOBTHENAILER; Allegra; ...
Good roasting of Dr. Hansen ...chief global Warming town crier....

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Hansen's role as the director in charge of the evidence of climate change has also caused controversy. It was Hansen who gave the issue national prominence during the 1988 Senate hearings.

Recently he has urged trials for "climate criminals" - energy executives who disagree with his hypothesis and policy prescription (for Hansen has both).

Hansen traveled to England to testify for the defence of environmental activists who vandalized a coal power station.

5 posted on 11/20/2008 10:17:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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ping


6 posted on 11/20/2008 10:19:53 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; null and void

What happens when valid science disproves the popular scientific myths of the world? It gets ignored and discredited. Any investigation into alternative theories is shouted down and banned from conferences and universities.

We saw it happen with evolution and intelligent design.

We’re seeing it happen with global warming. We will continue to see it even as the next ice age begins, because “big science” is run by cult leaders stirring a giant vat of Kool-Aid and not by rational fact-gatherers and thinkers who seek knowledge instead of power.


7 posted on 11/20/2008 10:20:01 AM PST by ValerieTexas
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hellloooo

Garbage in

Garbage out


8 posted on 11/20/2008 10:20:13 AM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NASA traded in it’s corprate integrity for some government funding and the bragging rights to being a stooge for the global warming hoax, which is nothing more than Marxism in a Halloween costume.


11 posted on 11/20/2008 10:23:19 AM PST by ShiveringShegetz (Yes, I'm Shivering!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NASA should fire Hansen. He’s not a scientist worthy of the term - he’s a number fudging fraud who is using NASA to advance his lunatic global warming agenda.


13 posted on 11/20/2008 10:24:57 AM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There should be an extended and loud chorus that James E. Hansen should be indicted for scientific fraud. He should immediately be relieved for cause from his position at GISS, and a thorough reexamination and audit of his findings and activities should be provided to the public.


14 posted on 11/20/2008 10:25:11 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
GISS makes unannounced, unexplained changes, and this practice is confusing and gets in the way of scholarship. GISS calibrates its data to 0.01°C. This implies a very high degree of accuracy and low margin of error. But their aggregate adjustments add up to tens of times greater than this scale. Therefore to provide data in hundredths of a degree is a clear case of misplaced precision.

Nothing else needs to be said.

15 posted on 11/20/2008 10:25:28 AM PST by listenhillary (No representation without taxation! ~~ Mark Steyn)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Liars looking for more budget money.


16 posted on 11/20/2008 10:26:59 AM PST by boomop1
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When computer "models data" challenge the validity of direct observations, even the densest moonbat kool-aid drinker must begin to have nagging doubts about the entire debate.
18 posted on 11/20/2008 10:31:16 AM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If Russia had reported (or NASA cut and pasted) March's data in the April report leaving huge stretches of Russia a very dark blue one the temperature variation map and a one degree worldwide drop in temperature, you can bet that Hansen and gang would have been on top of that error like white on rice. They wouldn't have let it out until they found their error even if they had to delay the release by weeks. This error "proved" their desired findings, so it went public quickly.

With all of Hansen's stunts such as refusing to release raw data or calculation methods for peer review, any science he touches stinks of subjectivity. He must go.

19 posted on 11/20/2008 10:40:12 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: All; ValerieTexas; Eric in the Ozarks; bamahead; Carley; jpl; ShiveringShegetz; Sherman Logan; ...
Hansen and Crew take another hit!

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Found this at Drudge....Cornell University Study:

Global warming predictions are overestimated, suggests study on black carbon

A detailed analysis of black carbon -- the residue of burned organic matter -- in computer climate models suggests that those models may be overestimating global warming predictions.

A new Cornell study, published online in Nature Geosciences, quantified the amount of black carbon in Australian soils and found that there was far more than expected, said Johannes Lehmann, the paper's lead author and a Cornell professor of biogeochemistry. The survey was the largest of black carbon ever published.

As a result of global warming, soils are expected to release more carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere, which, in turn, creates more warming. Climate models try to incorporate these increases of carbon dioxide from soils as the planet warms, but results vary greatly when realistic estimates of black carbon in soils are included in the predictions, the study found.

Soils include many forms of carbon, including organic carbon from leaf litter and vegetation and black carbon from the burning of organic matter. It takes a few years for organic carbon to decompose, as microbes eat it and convert it to carbon dioxide. But black carbon can take 1,000-2,000 years, on average, to convert to carbon dioxide.

By entering realistic estimates of stocks of black carbon in soil from two Australian savannas into a computer model that calculates carbon dioxide release from soil, the researchers found that carbon dioxide emissions from soils were reduced by about 20 percent over 100 years, as compared with simulations that did not take black carbon's long shelf life into account.

The findings are significant because soils are by far the world's largest source of carbon dioxide, producing 10 times more carbon dioxide each year than all the carbon dioxide emissions from human activities combined. Small changes in how carbon emissions from soils are estimated, therefore, can have a large impact.

"We know from measurements that climate change today is worse than people have predicted," said Lehmann. "But this particular aspect, black carbon's stability in soil, if incorporated in climate models, would actually decrease climate predictions."

The study quantified the amount of black carbon in 452 Australian soils across two savannas. Black carbon content varied widely, between zero and more than 80 percent, in soils across Australia.

"It's a mistake to look at soil as one blob of carbon," said Lehmann. "Rather, it has different chemical components with different characteristics. In this way, soil will interact differently to warming based on what's in it."

21 posted on 11/20/2008 10:58:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Islander7; avacado; steelyourfaith; NewLand; sobieski
From the Keyword list....more detail on the A surreal scientific blunder ( words used in the report from the UK Telegraph) of Hansen and Crew...from the keyword list NASA

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The world has never seen such freezing heat

23 posted on 11/20/2008 11:08:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
In addition to garbage-in, garbage-out problems concerning computer climate models, the following article reflects that such models are crude to begin with. In other words, interpreting these models is arguably still more of an art than a science, heaven forbid "inadvertently" subjective interpretations of these models.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php

24 posted on 11/20/2008 11:34:31 AM PST by Amendment10
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Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide - Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball

"It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

25 posted on 11/20/2008 11:54:28 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: All; TaraP; ETL
This Thread includes embedded info on the Sun's activity :

Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object

See post #6.

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100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

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I wonder if the Models include any allowance for more than just the Sun's Rays?

27 posted on 11/20/2008 12:13:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All; Sub-Driver; MrB; rabscuttle385; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; camle; skimask; ...
And there is this FR Thread,...posted Nov 12:

Earth may face freeze worse than Ice Age--study

29 posted on 11/20/2008 12:37:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Bill Dupray; Brian S. Fitzgerald; FormerACLUmember
And another FR Thread...regarding the October Warming...error

Photo from the thread:

Global Warming Experts: Hottest October Ever (Because We Used September Temperatures)

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Major, major hoax by Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore’s chief scientific charlatan, Dr James Hansen.


32 posted on 11/20/2008 12:50:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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