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Posted on 11/16/2011 7:49:05 AM PST by fishtank
From the conclusion:
"Conclusion
If the wooden remains of the Ark were to be found on Mt. Ararat, then samples of that wood would be expected to yield C-14 dates of between 20,000 years and 50,000 years, consistent with the C-14 dates of pre-Flood wood found fossilized in the geologic record of the Flood. Even though the true age of such fossilized pre-Flood wood should be only 4,500 years or so old, around the date for the biblical Flood, these grossly inflated C-14 dates obtained in conventional radiocarbon dating laboratories are due to those laboratories ignoring the very much less C-14 in the pre-Flood world compared to today’s world. But in strong contrast, the wood samples that have been claimed by a Chinese-Turkish team to have supposedly come from their discovery of the wooden remains of the Ark on Ararat have yielded C-14 dates from analyses in conventional radiocarbon laboratories ranging from recent (modern) to 6,891±4,647 years. These results are grossly short of what the C-14 dates should be for pre-Flood wood. Therefore, if we logically follow the soundest scientific inference, it must be concluded that these wood samples cannot have come from the pre-Flood wood used to build the Ark. Given the present C-14 evidence, despite the tantalizing wooden remains the Chinese-Turkish team claims to have discovered on Mt. Ararat, such artifacts CANNOT have come from the Ark. So whatever they have found, they are NOT the remains of the Ark."
(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...
No, of course not
Youe claim that “nowhere in Genesis does it say XXX years passed” is an outright falsehood.
Genesis chronicles many lives and gives years of lifespan.
Genesis also says that creation time periods were days, punctuated by light and dark, as in a day.
And finally, what we may conclude now is that only descendants from Adam populate the human family. There had to have been a population of some kind in Nod else Cain could not have gone there and taken a wife from among them. It is not difficult for us, with our deeper understanding of genetics, to accept that a race of 'close to the same as Adam' were around when Adam and Eve were created and placed in a protective place. The differentiating factor with Adam and his descendants is the presence of something God added, the human spirit. This characteristic is now found in all of humankind since we are all now descendants from Adam and Eve, regardless of any other genetics ources mixed in.
The point of the Bible is to that it’s the story of the salvation of mankind.
There are obvious other truths that do exist, that have nothing to do with that story, whether it be scientific, historical, technological.
But I am convinced that, after God brings this current existence of ours to a close to begin our eternal existence, we will know everything.
“Can you show me that he affirmed the exact dating of Genesis, that exactly, how ever many years prior to His existence on earth, Noah sailed in the Ark?”
Taking the details of the Genesis account literally does not require an exact date or chronology.
The issue here is literal versus figurative.
Well let’s not forget Einstein said time is relative and time dilation can be affected by the strength of gravitational fields. Astrophysics may not be the settled science you think it is - all science is subject to new discoveries and experiments. For instance did the little neutrino exceed the speed of light as the last experiment seemed to indicate in Switzerland?
I take the events as actually happened. I do believe in the creation of man. I do believe in the Flood. I do believe that everything Genesis teaches did happen.
I just quibble with Fundamentalists who think they can give me a date as to when it happened, yet the historical evidence for some of these happenings don’t jell with the Fundamentalist point of view.
Especially pre-flood dating.
“Genesis also says that creation time periods were days, punctuated by light and dark, as in a day.”
Source please (no, really). Are you just referring to “there was evening, and there was morning”?
I’ve found the arguments that say the “days” described can be LITERALLY interpreted as “epochs (varying time periods with a definitive beginning and end)” to be most compelling. This apparently valid interpretation appears to align with what is repeatedly seen in science (as observed today). Why would God want to try and “trick” us on what science repeatedly indicates the age of the universe/earth to be and change the way things “appear” (although I concede he could if he wanted to)? He may not tell us all, but it is not in his character trick us.
quik quiz: what is the mass of a neutrino?
And how do they catch them as they pass through the earth?
Source? Well, none other that Genesis, Chapter 1 of the King James Bible. Read on:
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
If you read the whole account, it is all given in ‘days’.
You are correct, God will not trick, or LIE, to us. That being the case, His Word must then be true.
Believe science fact, but understand that things such as the Big Bang and evolution are Theories only. Take God at His word. Believe in Him, and lean not to your own understanding.
The pre-flood geneaologies are stated as follows: "A was ### old when B was born." Therefore, you can construct a time line to the flood.
The post flood geneaologies are written a little loser but are still bounded.
AnswersInGenesis - Why Christians Shouldn't accept millions of years
More AnswersInGenesis articles some get really in depth expounding on all critics views.
My understanding is the mass has not been measured.
Conjecture is that it has no mass, but if no mass,
then can a neutrino even exist?
For if mass goes to zero then energy goes to zero...
Along the same lines as the 0th law of thermodynamics
or why we can not reach absolute zero.
No one is claiming to believe in the big bang. Only that the historical dating by man for events like the flood are in error. There is too much evidence of civilizations older than 6000 years.
The words of God is infallible, but mans hearing and memory certainly is fallible. Just ask my grandma about my grampa. :)
This does not say the (days or epochs) were separated by darkness and light (a 24hr day). In fact, the text says light=day and dark=night, and goes on to use morning/evening instead of day/night to describe the time periods.
Also, I said nothing about evolution. Why couldn’t have God prepared the universe/earth for billion/millions of years before he created man (as God lives outside of time) and the Bible still be literal and true? Evolutionist need to earth to be old for their theory to hold water, but creationists don’t need the earth to be young for their theory too.
I agree the Bible can be 100% true and some can have a wrong understanding of it. The bible and the creation both speak to the truth of God, so I consider both of them like His word to us.
And the deviation corresponds to the variation in earth magnetic field strength from today's value, as measured by ancient pottery.
So you discount the terms “day”, “night”, “morning”, “evening” as meaning something other than a day. That being the case, how should God have described a period of time that is a day?
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