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2012 LIVE Official Recriminations Thread I
11/7/2012 | Sam PAine

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:34 AM PST by sam_paine

Post your "I Told You So" Vanities here!

DON'T Start the 50-millionth Vanity thread!

Find your allies on either side:

In this corner: "Romney RINO wasn't conservative enough to really win Purple PA and Ohio!"

In the other: "The Social Conservatives scared off too many Indiots!"

We can have the bile out here and leave the other threads to sincere discussion. Then the Admins can delete this later when we're all embarrassed of what we've said.


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KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012analysisreligion; 2012electionanalysis; postmortem2012; vanity
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To: Alberta's Child

It wasn’t the immigrants that lost us this election. Texas and Arizona remained red. It is our social policies/beliefs that WHITE women do not like. I do not see that changing in the near or distant future on either side. I believe it is only going to get worse as the liberals have control of our schools, television, music... basically, all of the propaganda outlets.


101 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:39 AM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: All

It’s over we did our best now let us start plaining for the next one and hope the country is still here in 4 MORE YEARS. To all who worked so hard for this country this election Thanks.


102 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:58 AM PST by devildognc (It's Still Worth Saving to ME. USMC 72-79)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“It’s done. Now the rate of decay will just increase.”

Maybe we’ll elect Hillary in 2016, with Deval as her VP.

At least John F’N Kerry and Liz Warren go well together (both venal, elitist snots).


103 posted on 11/07/2012 5:28:32 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: sam_paine

My only comment at this point:

Can people who don’t understand math stop screaming at people who do? You don’t have to like Nate Silver or his politics, but you can’t dismiss his numbers just because he’s a “fag.” We can’t have a successful political movement if a large portion of the constituency thinks it can change facts by hating on them.


104 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:11 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: publana
That's nonsense. Romney lost among Hispanics by a huge margin, which cost him dearly in places like Florida and Virginia. The irony is that the only real difference between Romney and GWB was that GWB could go out on the campaign trail and speak Spanish.
105 posted on 11/07/2012 5:31:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: BlatherNaut; Impy; nutmeg; raccoonradio

“Maybe we’ll elect Hillary in 2016, with Deval as her VP.”

Nothing surprises me at this point.

“At least John F’N Kerry and Liz Warren go well together (both venal, elitist snots).”

Yep. What a pair. I’d say they give the two douches from CA a run for “Most elitist snots in the US Senate”.


106 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:29 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: LibsRJerks; Impy; nutmeg
“And in the meantime, we can sit back and let go — let Obama take FULL responsibility for what is about to occur.”

Done. I made that decision last night. Although, with the MSM as a political arm of the Democrat Party, Obama will NEVER be faced with taking any responsibility. That honor has been permanently bestowed on GWB.

107 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:39 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sam_paine

In the battleground states of Florida and Ohio, 5% of voters only voted for President. They did not vote in the Senate race. I find that suspicious.
In Virgina and Pennsylvania, the votes were the same.


108 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: GOPsterinMA; LibsRJerks; Impy; nutmeg
we can sit back and let go — let Obama take FULL responsibility for what is about to occur

So Boehner needs to whip 100% GOP support for any Obama budget? Full implementation of Ocare? Stop any investigations into Benghazi, F&F?

109 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:07 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain

Very well stated unfortunately. We have crossed a threshold with almost no limits on what can be done to us little people.


110 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:46 AM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of a 8 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: sam_paine

I am with Rush when he says, “Conservatism works whenever it is tried.” The GOP is apparently dedicated to squashing true conservatives whenever they rear their heads...kind of like whack-a-mole. I was convinced that Mitt would be a lot better than Obama and voted for him, but he never really articulated true conservative principles. He kept talking about “reaching across the aisle” and other bipartisan nonsense. He still talked about manipulating various government programs as if such manipulations would solve long term problems.

The GOP apparently takes the cynical approach of fashioning a platform based on shifting trends of what they think the people want rather than solid principles. It is a post-modern approach that asks the question, “What is your truth today, America?....we are here to make it happen!”


111 posted on 11/07/2012 5:44:51 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Bobalu

Exactly. Women eat the media BS like gravy. HOW do we change the media? How do we force them to report the truth? They have no conscience and believe the end justifies the means.

We have hit them in the pocketbook by not reading their papers and not watching their broadcasts. What is left? Boycotting their advertisers? The libs already do this successfully. Given a choice, they will go with their own choice.

Fear?


112 posted on 11/07/2012 5:46:48 AM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
The population has changed way too much to recover, so unless the GOP does a massive overhaul they will never win a presidential election again.

That is really the takeaway, honestly. The GOP, seriously, might as well not even bother to contend for the presidency any longer, as ridiculous as that may sound, except for of the Confederacy. Obama had a failed domestic and foreign policy, but won in a landslide and carried Democrats below ticket with him. Redistricting ALONE saved us from one-party rule, and that is not a long-term fix for anything. The only thing Romney could have done was not be a Mormon, I guess. The demographics are not in our favor, are getting worse, and the voting tendencies for those groups are hardened.

113 posted on 11/07/2012 5:47:29 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Drawsing
“Conservatism works whenever it is tried.”

It works if you buy it and bring it home, but it doesn't sell in the department store window at all.

114 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:17 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine; LibsRJerks; Impy; nutmeg

Boehner ain’t doing sh*t except to cry. You know that.

Personally, I think the House should go “Scorched Earth”. At this point, why not? Right or wrong they’ll get blamed.


115 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:55 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sam_paine

Why do we let the dip@##$^ in New Hampshire and Iowa choose our losers every four years?


116 posted on 11/07/2012 5:52:56 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: sam_paine

First, I am not going to dump on Mitt Romney. I thought he ran as good a campaign as he could under the circumstances. It’s not his fault that we have passed the “tipping point” where the moochers now outvote the producers. It’s not his fault that the system was rigged for him to lose. Mark my words; the system was rigged for him to lose, and that would have applied to ANY GOP candidate. Yesterday, today, and I fear now forever.

Second, since it is clear that government coerced theft is now the official legal policy of our nation, our Republic and Constitution are dead. Those words are kept around as window-dressing stripped of their original and real meaning. Hobbes’ Leviathan has won out.

Third, there is no changing this for the forseeable future. Even if when the inevitable crash occurs, the entrenchment of a pervasive state means there will be no return to a Consitutional Republic of limited powers. Instead, the “solution” will only be a government of ever-greater power over the citizenry.

Fourth, as has been apparent for over a generation now, the public education system has no interest in turning out citizens capable of independent thought and critical reasoning skills. It is a factory that mass produces a citizenry of greedy but docile, ignorant, dependent and easily manipulated sheep.

Fifth, the “propaganda complex” that shapes and molds the views of the citizenry has become so partisan, and unaccountable, that it will make sure that no “wrong thinking” people get any traction. Any air time they get will only be to hold them up to ridicule. They constantly vet themselves internally to make sure no “wrong-thinking” people work within their system, either.

There it is. I’m 53 and there is a fair chance I can get through the rest of my life reasonably OK. The statists on the left who run things are willing to let me and my generation just quietly die off. They took the long view of things through the gradual creation of the State. It serves no purpose to ruffle feathers now that they have won.

Last night I didn’t weep for myself. I’ll be OK. I wept for my children. They are in a world of shit.


117 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:04 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
The GOP, seriously, might as well not even bother to contend for the presidency any longer, as ridiculous as that may sound, except for of the Confederacy.

You do realize who Josh's screen name is, right? =)

Well, if you look how divided this country is now, if you look at the red/blue map this morning and compare it to the Grey/Blue map from back then....

I think it's reasonable to say Abraham Lincoln made a terrible mistake trying to hold the Union together.

118 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:20 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
We can have the bile out here and leave the other threads to sincere discussion.

Well, 0 bummer inherited a worse state of affairs in 2012 than he did in 2008.

119 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:03 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: crusty old prospector
Why do we let the dip@##$^ in New Hampshire and Iowa choose our losers every four years?

New Hampshire:

Romney won with 95,669 votes or 39.4%. Ron Paul finished second with 55,455 22.8%. Jon Huntsman 40,903 16.8% Newt Gingrich 22,921 9.4% Rick Santorum 22,708 9.3% Rick Perry 1,709 0.7% Michele Bachmann 343 0.1% Other 2,628 1.4%

Iowa: Rick Santorum (25%), Mitt Romney (25%), Ron Paul (21%), Newt Gingrich (13%), Rick Perry (10%), Michele Bachmann (5%), and Jon Huntsman (0.6%)

Well, they didn't.

The question is, why are the people listed above the only terrible choices they had to choose from?

And what productive member of society would ever want to run after this?

120 posted on 11/07/2012 5:59:58 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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