Posted on 03/30/2016 8:33:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Even though the Civil War had ended in 1865, political and racial strife continued to northern and southern states. In an attempt to mend the rift, the Republican-controlled Congress passed the First Reconstruction Act in 1867, but many southerners objected to the act saying it favored northern interests and not their own.
At the same time, two groups of disenfranchised Americans lobbied for the right to vote – women and blacks. Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were among the leading women suffragists. The most prominent among the black suffragists was Frederick Douglas. All these groups wanted was the recognition of equal citizenship which included the right to vote and hold political office.
Blacks first gained their freedom with the ratification of 13th Amendment in December 1865 which read:
(Excerpt) Read more at constitution.com ...
It was their cause, I would expect them to put personal effort into it. And not all Southerners agreed with slavery, me being one. But it is the politicians who rule the roost until the day citizens get fed up and act like employers instead of slaves themselves!
From what I’ve read, it’s not that Coulter doesn’t think women should have the right to vote — she says it’s a personal fantasy of hers that they wouldn’t, because then another democrat would never get elected. She’s having fun, as she often does. Not a reasoned argument
The country was founded by human beings who valued freedom. I guess I don’t see race as quite such a significant factor as you do. All created equal and all that. From life experience don’t buy it as a determinant. It’s a fiction. Just folks whose ancestors came from different parts of the world where because of distance and mountains and slow, difficult travel they ended up looking different from each other. In a hundred and fifty years hopefully the differences will go away and we can put that particular madness behind us, and get down to working on the things that really matter — like liberty and justice for all.
We don’t have to agree with everything said by people we admire.
Indeed, nearly every Confederate state supplied troops for the Union Army.
You may know, historians usually divide "the South" into three major regions: 1) Deep South -- seven original Confederate States, 2) Upper South -- four states which joined the Confederacy after Fort Sumter, and 3) Southern Border States -- four slave states which never voted to secede.
I think it's fair to say that in the Deep South, at least three quarters of voters supported secession, meaning there were fewer than one in four who did not.
In the Upper South it was about two third secessionists, one third Unionists and in Southern Border States it was the reverse: about two-thirds Unionists, one-third secessionists.
So, all told, about 6% of the Union Army came from Confederate states, and another 8% from Southern Border States.
These were more than enough to compensate for deaths suffered by the Union Army.
Actually, she makes a very reasoned argument:
“Ann Coulter responds to an Xavier University student’s question about her comment where she expressed that the USA would be better off if women were not able to vote.
Ann cites John Lott Jr’s material in his new book Freedomnomics.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmDg9t5M5dI
Ann BARNHART’s argument why women shouldn’t vote is, in my opinion, much more compelling(it comes at the 1:06:15 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8zObNw8BCw
Actually, our country was founded by men who understood real overall racial differences, and they most certainly did NOT believe in equality of the races. They explicitly told us so, in many ways, and in overt statements:
http://www.npiamerica.org/research/category/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
Now, you can choose to disagree with them, but you can’t choose your own facts about/deny/change what they said and believed.
Exactly why do you admire Lincoln? Again, I question whether you’re even aware of what Lincoln actually thought, said, and sought regarding the topic. Notice that I’m merely laying out historical facts; I’m not making any arguments myself:
http://www.npiamerica.org/research/category/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
Lincoln considered Blacks to be—in his words—“a troublesome presence”[34] in the United States. During the Lincoln-Douglas debates he stated[35]:
I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
His opponent Stephen Douglas was even more outspoken (in what follows, audience responses are recorded by the Chicago Daily Times, a Democratic paper):
For one, I am opposed to negro citizenship in any form. [Cheers—Times] I believe that this government was made on the white basis. [‘Good,’—Times] I believe it was made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and I am in favor of confining the citizenship to white men—men of European birth and European descent, instead of conferring it upon negroes and Indians, and other inferior races. [‘Good for you. Douglas forever,’—Times]
Douglas, who was the more firmly anti-Black of the two candidates, won the election.[36]
Lincoln opposed the expansion of slavery outside the South, but was not an abolitionist. He made war on the Confederacy only to preserve the Union, and would have accepted Southern slavery in perpetuity if that would have kept the South from seceding, as he stated explicitly.[37]
Indeed, Lincoln supported what is known as the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution, passed by Congress shortly before he took office, which forbade any attempt by Congress to amend the Constitution to give itself the power to “abolish or interfere” with slavery. The amendment therefore recognized that the federal government had no power over slavery where it already existed, and the amendment would have barred any future amendment to give the government that power. Outgoing President James Buchanan took the unusual step of signing the amendment, even though the President’s signature is not necessary under the Constitution.
Lincoln referred to the Corwin Amendment in his first inaugural address[38], adding that he had “no objection” to its ratification, and he sent copies of the text to all state governors.[39] Ohio, Maryland, and Illinois eventually ratified the amendment. If the country had not been distracted by war, it could well have become law, making it more difficult or even impossible to pass the 13th Amendment.
Lincoln’s Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation of September 22, 1862 was further proof of his priorities. It gave the Confederate states 100 days to lay down their arms, and threatened to emancipate only those slaves living in states still in “rebellion.” Lincoln always overestimated Unionist sentiment in the South, and genuinely believed that at least some of the Southern states would accept his offer of union in exchange for the preservation of slavery.[40]
As late as the Hampton Roads conference with Confederate representatives—this was in February 3, 1865, with the war almost won—Lincoln was still hinting that the South could keep its slaves if it made peace. He called emancipation strictly a war measure that would become “inoperative” if there were peace, and suggested that if the Confederate states rejoined the union, they could defeat the 13th Amendment, which had been sent to the states for ratification. Lincoln appears to have been prepared to sacrifice the most basic interests of Blacks if he thought that would stop the slaughter of white men.[41]
Throughout his presidency, Lincoln took the conventional view that if slaves were freed, they should be expatriated. Even in the midst of the war, he was making plans for colonization, and appointed Rev. James Mitchell to be Commissioner of Emigration, with instructions to find a place to which Blacks could be sent.[42]
On August 14th, 1862, Lincoln invited a group of free Black leaders to the White House to tell them, “there is an unwillingness on the part of our people, harsh as it may be, for you free colored people to remain with us.” He urged them to lead others of their race to a colonization site in Central America.[43] Lincoln was the first president to invite a delegation of Blacks to the White House—and he did so to ask them to leave the country. Later that year, in a message to Congress, he argued not just for voluntary colonization but for the forcible removal of free Blacks.[44]
I’m no historian, reading what interests me here and there but aside from the slavery issue the real issue boiled down to what else, money, and the control thereof. The South had plans to incorporate Haiti, Puerto Rico and other areas South into the Confederacy to better compete with the industrial North. That’s why those in power positions called it the war for the southern Confederacy. That’s what the golden circle was all about, a golden circle of property that would bring wealth into the South. The North ommitted this in the history books at basic education levels. One must hunt for the truth when the era is bygone.
I think I mostly admire him because he wrote so beautifully. That’s a big thing for me, for better or for worse. And because whatever may have led up to it, however political the motives, his words and actions led to the freeing of the slaves. I’m not sure whether you think that was a good thing or not, so best to stop there.
Hopefully we’ve transcended that thinking. If I need to think that way in order to be conservative, then I need to find another word to describe my politics.
That said I’ve had a gut full of the pi$$ing and moaning. Every culture has had their day in the barrel. As long as people look back they will never move forward. And our culture is only as good as our bottleneck.
That you don’t makes you a cuckservative.
Because you actually proceed as if it matters not that whites will be a minority in this country.
Not. At. All. I live in a neighborhood that is part Latino, park Armenian, part Thai, part white, part black, and all American. I wouldn’t live anywhere else. My family came from Russia on one side and Romania on the other and paid taxes and served in the armed forces and I grew up proud of this country and grateful that my immigrant parents were welcome here.
Now now no need to toss insults. Am I alone on this thread not seeing race as a significant determinant?
Thank you for the link. Definitely clarifies your position. A position to which I’m diametrically opposed, but which I’m glad to better understand.
My pleasure.
I’m curious where in your world view you would place the Jews.
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