Posted on 09/18/2020 4:03:47 AM PDT by gattaca
Fear of the virus has been a useful tool of political control.
The virus itself? Inconsequential.
Actual cases and deaths from Covid I believe are around 10% of reported. Great majority of (senior citizen) deaths would have died anyway from regular flu or other ancillary causes due to pre-existing conditions. Case numbers greatly inflated by false positives and/or outright manipulation. Great percentage of positives have a cold or minor flu symptoms.
“Follow the science” is as hollow as “Russian collusion”.
Even if you get infected it does not mean you are at some high level of transmission nor does it mean everyone around you is some high level to get infected.
I have a friend who rarely gets sick while her husband gets sick every year.
What are the factors that make that possible?
And that is one example.
I get sick every year. in the doctors office or emergency room because I can’t breathe, while others around me do not get sick.
What gives?
All rhetoricial as I don’t give a flip about any explanation.
Treat this like any other viral. Wash hands, cover mouth when coughing, limit exposure to others if you are sick.
Virals are only transmissible when you have symptoms.
CDC says it takes 15 minutes of face to face to "catch it"....or "give it". When's the last time you spent 15 minutes of face to face in a store? For myself...I can say....NEVER.
Inconsequential? No. That destroyed your credibility. Am overblown testing phase with way to sensitive of a test? Absolutely.
Here are the facts and I hope we can reach agreement. Corona virus can be incredibly dangerous to the susceptible people. Really this is no different from any other disease. All diseases have a proclivity for certain populations. Influenza is an incredibly dangerous disease to the susceptible populations (remember lots of us have said from the get its just the flu bro and been panned for it). We vaccinate against the flu for two reasons. To create herd immunity to protest the population and to protect the individual from a potentially dangerous disease. I am required to be vaccinated for my job in order to prevent me from infecting people who might otherwise have a really tough time with influenza. I will also get the corona virus vaccine for two reasons. To protect me as I am around it daily. And to protect my family and patients so I dont spread it
I dont disagree in the least that the reaction is completely irrational. There should be no shirt down nor should there be masks etc. its ridiculous. But we have come to the point in America where we are majority sniveling snowflake and want to live in a bubble. Life has risks. The whole game of life is mitigating risks with an unacceptable profile and taking the risks that have a good reward profile.
This is the second disease that has been weaponized as a political function. The first one was HIV. We clearly are at a fork in the road. We either shall regain our American spirit and independence including celebrating American can do to bring forth a vaccine quickly and safely and create therapeutics. Or we can accept being discrete to and losing freedom from increasingly small things.
But this is not an inconsequential disease. I believe that close to 100,000 Americans have dies from this (about 50% of what is reported). But lets discuss the facts. I share your frustration. We can figure this out using free market and conservative principles not the government mandates.
Does anyone have the link to this study?
False. Many viruses are transmissible for a few days before symptoms. Chickenpox, the common cold, mumps, etc. The gal from China that infected that German company never did show symptoms.
Key words cycle threshold ....if set over 35 people can test positive when all the test finds is dead strands of old virus indicating You may have treated positive in the past. The USA needs a uniform cycle threshold to know where we stand.
Thank you Dr. Fauci mini me.
Not the point
I cringe thinking of the lives and businesses that have been destroyed or set back for decades because of this fiasco. Now just wait for property taxes to skyrocket due to a years loss of revenue by the state and local govts.
Its exactly the point. We take grave risks when we deny the truth. The statement was no virus is contagious prior to symptoms. This is simply false. Your response of ad hominem attack is exactly why we as conservatives are always at a rhetorical disadvantage
Fact is many virus transmit prior to symptoms. I am not sure this is the case with corona but we dont know. So a blanket statement that is against what we know is completely indefensible as evidenced by the non responsive attack.
Every person in America who took a virology 101 has known this all along. I even made up my own virology phrase for it. Detectable does not mean infectable. It may be found for 99 billion years on a cardboard box from china. But it is dead.
No one with a kindegarten knowledge of viruses allows molecular testing on themselves or their families. Then the FDA changed a pos to single target and made it even more fake.
Okay..
Grow up or die.
I actually don’t give a fig what you think except that your argument is poisonous and some weird covert hateful argument against life and living
crawl back to whatever back water swamp you live in and the rest of will end this fraud.
If I don’t respond to whatever lame response you have, it’s because I’m headed to take of a business thing I can’t get out of, and then I’m headed over to a friend and then pick up the ashes that made his home an put them in a dumpster from the fires here in CA.
But, I will respond to whatever other “letter of the law” idiocy you want spout .
Yuh muck...
You and your idiotic sycophant tribe are why we are here and you thoughts are just plain hateful to America and humanity.
“We are all going to die....!!!”
Pound sand.
I’ve been at work every single day and still nothing
same with my colleagues.
Yet, everyone knows someone, who knows someone who “supposedly” died of Covid.
Go sell your crap somewhere else.
We are all out of crazy around here...
Oh, and you and your ilk are why I am building a network to end this insanity beginning Nov 4th.
Feel free to sit this one out.
We don’t need you...
If you want to come to rational agreement which you start here: http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3885240/posts?page=8#8
fine
otherwise, no need to respond to me
I am beyond angry at this irrational “response” which I experienced in Mexico 2009 and thought “That’ll never happen again” and here we are globally
Seems to me you have no rational basis but anger. The science is the science. You made an incorrect statement and become this angry over a factual rebuke. Its not personal. How we have responded I agree is outrageous. But you are entitled to THE facts. Not YOUR facts
Take a break. Go for a walk. Work out your anger. Life will be better for you
When you say you are at work everyday with your colleagues. What kind of work are you in so we understand your perspective
Rational?
I’ll give you rational and every single fact you want.
I have spent the last 8 months studying this fraud
Your response and mine may have been absolutes that aren’t true but, the fact is not every one will get sick and not everyone who carries a viral will transmit for a variety of reasons
Don’t back off now on your position if that is the most important thing...to you.
Or you can come over here to valid and rationally provable side that the response to this is immoral and irrational and political
or you can argue over things like “Well no. Virals, particularly....blah blah blah have been proven to be and then you make the supposed moral argument of “keeping those around who are susceptible safe” or my favorite “You don’t have the right infect someone else” or any other infantile facile argument
Your move...
Sure
1 I am in sales. Business to business. Seeing 8-19 new people each week and whoever else is in their office.
Today I had three appointments and 2-3 people each appointment, not counting the numerous I passed during the appointment and the homeless chumps just to get there.
2. I go to an office every day
3. 10 drivers go and see as many as 15 customers each day and whoever else is in their office
Those drivers bring whatever they ran into while on route that day
8 months and no one has taken a sick day or come to the office presenting anything like a symptom
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