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AI-generated blues misses a human touch — and a metronome
The Verge ^ | 03 23 2024 | Wes Davis

Posted on 03/23/2024 7:00:01 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

I heard a new song last weekend called “Soul Of The Machine.” It’s a simple, old-timey number in E minor with a standard blues chord progression (musicians in the know would call it a 1-4-5 progression). In it, a voice sings about being a trapped soul with a heart that once beat but is now cold and weak.

“Soul Of The Machine” is not a real song at all. Or is it? It’s getting harder to say. Whatever it is, it’s the creation of Suno, an AI tool from a startup of the same name focused on music generation. Rolling Stone said this song’s prompt was “solo acoustic Mississippi Delta blues about a sad AI.” And you know what? I doubt I’d glance askance at it if I heard it in a mix of human-recorded Delta blues tunes. The track is technically impressive, fairly convincing, and not all that good.

I spent 10 years or so as a semiprofessional or professional musician, onstage at least four nights a week. For some of that time, I played in a genre called Western Swing. Bob Wills is the most famous example of the style, but some very smart people have argued that more of his credit should go to Milton Brown, who drew more directly from early blues and swing acts like The Hokum Boys (which featured Big Bill Broonzy) or Bessie Smith. I preferred to play more like Milton Brown.

SNIP

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ai; deltablues; music; soulofthemachine; spulofthemachine; suno
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1 posted on 03/23/2024 7:00:01 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

A few more tweaks and they’ll have that.


2 posted on 03/23/2024 7:07:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: yesthatjallen

only goes to prove that a machine can have the blues but still no soul.


3 posted on 03/23/2024 7:10:10 AM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: Qwapisking

Who gets the copyright and royalties?
Machine (robot)
or
Human who made the inquiry?


4 posted on 03/23/2024 7:13:20 AM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: yesthatjallen

Vernon Reid (head guy of Living Color) has been messing around with AI for a while, using his own catalog to train it. He was kind of disturbed by how quickly he could make it write a song that looked just like one of his, just a few corrections and passes and boom. It also taught him he’s really fond of some words, to the point of him now trying to not use them in his songs.

It can be a valid tool. It can be stupid. The choice is the users.


5 posted on 03/23/2024 7:14:14 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Qwapisking
Don "No Soul" Simmons had AI beat by 40 years.
6 posted on 03/23/2024 7:15:38 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: yesthatjallen

“Wrote a song about it, like to hear it, here it go….”


7 posted on 03/23/2024 7:16:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: All
Try it yourself.

Suno

8 posted on 03/23/2024 7:18:54 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: discostu

The weird thing is that Vernon Reids soloing is already kind of like AI. Not very traditional, it’s spastic, and kind of random, and pretty much avant-garde.


9 posted on 03/23/2024 7:24:27 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: discostu; yesthatjallen

“ It can be a valid tool. It can be stupid. The choice is the users.”

Dear Suno,
Construct a blues song in the style of Blind Mellon Chitlin’.


10 posted on 03/23/2024 7:28:24 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: yesthatjallen

They took the credit for your second symphony
rewritten by machine on new technology
and now i understand the problems you can see
— The Buggles 1980


11 posted on 03/23/2024 7:31:01 AM PDT by posterchild
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To: yesthatjallen

Hopefully this junk will go the way of programmed drums. I don’t hear much of it anymore thank God. It’s not completely gone, but I think it’s used less. I don’t believe therw will ever be anything like real human voices, real instruments, real musicians. Music is a human thing, not a machine generated one.


12 posted on 03/23/2024 7:32:23 AM PDT by Omnivore-Dan
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To: yesthatjallen
pretty cool. Just tried my own prompt. Metal song with 60s british pop and 60s folk.

Shadows of Oblivion

Surprisingly catchy.

13 posted on 03/23/2024 7:36:15 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: yesthatjallen

What did you dream?
It’s alright, we told you what to dream.


14 posted on 03/23/2024 7:36:23 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: yesthatjallen
From 1984:

chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator.

...

The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator. But the woman sang so tunefully as to turn the dreadful rubbish into an almost pleasant sound.


15 posted on 03/23/2024 7:45:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago. Now with "Formal Deprogramming")
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To: yesthatjallen

Soul of a Man by blind Willie Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdI2xPHw_k


16 posted on 03/23/2024 7:48:55 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: yesthatjallen

Old, great musician to me almost 50 years ago when I was a beginner.

“There’s no such thing as bad music...just bad musicians.”


17 posted on 03/23/2024 7:52:30 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Yes, but can it write a country song about; Mama, trains, prison and get’n drunk?


18 posted on 03/23/2024 7:55:44 AM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song
And he told me it was the perfect country & western song
I wrote him back a letter and I told him it was
Not the perfect country & western song because he hadn’t said anything at all about mama,
Or trains,
Or trucks,
Or prison,
Or getting’ drunk
Well he sat down and wrote another verse to the song
And he sent it to me,
And after reading it,
I realized that my friend had written the perfect
Country & western song
And I felt obliged to include it on this album
The last verse goes like this here:

Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison
And I went to pick her up in the rain
But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train


19 posted on 03/23/2024 8:00:55 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: Deaf Smith

The day AI can replace Stevie Ray Vaughn, or Hendrix, or Duane Allman, Johnny Winter, BB King, and so many more will be the end of real music. I can only hope for it to be an utter failure.


20 posted on 03/23/2024 8:10:03 AM PDT by Omnivore-Dan
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