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Blue-State Pols Are Emptying Their Own States (Wonder Land)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, August 29, 2003 | DANIEL HENNINGER

Posted on 08/29/2003 7:02:30 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The most significant voting bloc in California's famous recall election isn't Hispanics or angry male Democrats but the people who were so eager to weigh in that they've already voted -- with their feet. According to a report out this month from the U.S. Census Bureau, an astounding 2,204,500 Californians threw in the towel from 1995 to 2000 and highballed it out of the "Golden State." The state's net migration figure for the period is -755,536, and would be worse if Latin American immigrants didn't still drop in for a look. This is the first time the net migration number for California has ever gone negative.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bluestates; bluezone; dems; exodus; liberals; migration; redstates
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To: Noumenon
As Atlas shruggs...

Precisely.

21 posted on 08/29/2003 8:10:15 AM PDT by cmak9
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To: dogbyte12
Just an FYI...
22 posted on 08/29/2003 8:13:40 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: proxy_user
As you will see if you read my other posts, I expect the offshoring to India to be another disaster that will cost more to fix than it's supposed to save.

Agreed. That pot 'o gold at the end of the outsourcing rainbow will be filled with curry-reeking floaters. Bad code, bad service, bad ideas. It'l lall come home to roost.

23 posted on 08/29/2003 8:22:01 AM PDT by Noumenon (Those who seek the destruction of a free society are unfit to live in that same society.)
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To: Phantom Lord; JohnnyZ; caltrop
1. Elizabeth Dole never could have won in North Carolina if she had run before the early 1990s. And it had nothing to do with any "conservative" credentials, either.

2. Regardless of which party dominated the state's political landscape for the last century, there's no way North Carolina could have been "liberal" to any extent before the early 1990s if it had already elected Jesse Helms to three terms in the U.S. Senate by that point. And if Helms had stuck around for the 2002 and 2008 elections, his races would have become increasingly tight.

3. North Carolina has become increasingly urbanized over the last ten years. Regardless of party affiliation, voters who live in urban and suburban areas tend to be much more liberal than their rural counterparts.

4. John Edwards. Case closed.

24 posted on 08/29/2003 8:25:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Phantom Lord
And us evil NY Yankees have moved to NC the number of registered republicans has exploded in this state and the number of registered dems has been in a continual decline

Thats because the old time southern democrats are literally dyeing off.

25 posted on 08/29/2003 8:31:51 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: JohnnyZ
As a native NCer, welcome to our state. Glad to have you. Settle down now.
26 posted on 08/29/2003 8:33:36 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: Noumenon
The smart guys are already forming the consulting companies that will help you bring IT back inhouse after an unsuccessful outsourcing.
27 posted on 08/29/2003 8:33:52 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: M0sby
Correction: Washington is mostly blue, with the exception of the I-5 corridor. Seattle is nearly as red as communist China.
28 posted on 08/29/2003 8:35:35 AM PDT by Don W (Lead, follow, or get outta the way!)
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To: Alberta's Child
1. Elizabeth Dole never could have won in North Carolina if she had run before the early 1990s. And it had nothing to do with any "conservative" credentials, either.

Elizabeth Dole wouldn't have been running prior to when she did as she was a resident of another state, and Jesse was still holding the seat. And she didn't run in the early 1990's. She ran in 2002.

2. Regardless of which party dominated the state's political landscape for the last century, there's no way North Carolina could have been "liberal" to any extent before the early 1990s if it had already elected Jesse Helms to three terms in the U.S. Senate by that point. And if Helms had stuck around for the 2002 and 2008 elections, his races would have become increasingly tight.

Sure they would have been increasingly tight. And there is no doubt that his age would have been a major factor in this. I will be surprised if Jesse is still around in 2008. And don't give me that "Strom" argument when it comes to age. And Jesse was a target of the entire left, nationwide and thus anyone running against him had full support, both financial and with bodies from every left wing group on the planet in an attempt to defeat him. Jesse ran against and would have run against far more than his opponent and his opponents personal abilities.

3. North Carolina has become increasingly urbanized over the last ten years. Regardless of party affiliation, voters who live in urban and suburban areas tend to be much more liberal than their rural counterparts.

NC is all over the board on that one. Many rural areas, and vast stretchs of rural area vote democrat in NC. And urban centers vote republican as well. And NC has become more suburban than urban. We don't have large population centers like most major cities. Its all spread out in the suburbs. And suburbs tend to vote republican.

4. John Edwards. Case closed.

John Edwards, as you may recall, beat Lauch Faircloth, who ran one of the most inept campaigns I have ever seen. Also, except for once or twice if memory serves me right, no one has been reelected to that seat in 140 years.

The election of John Edwards is by no means evidence of "evil liberal yankee influence" on the elections in this state.

Explain Gov for Life Hunt, Democratic control since the beginning of time of all levels of goverment in this state, and people like David Price, Mel Watt, Bob Ethridge, Mike Easley, Jim Graham, Ralph Campbell, etc...

None of these people were elected because of us evil yankees moving in.

29 posted on 08/29/2003 8:40:24 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: presidio9
...This may leave the blue states bluer than ever....

Or, it might be viewed as pollution of good Red Zone counties by Blue Zone lefties.

The migration was noted, but there was no statement of political consequences. I know that Yankees migrating to Tennessee whine in the newspaper about what they miss.

30 posted on 08/29/2003 8:43:57 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: bert
This yankee moved from NY to NC whines about some of the things I miss. Hell, when I moved from Endicott NY to Buffalo NY I whined about things I missed.

Do I have any interest in moving back to NY? Hell NO!

31 posted on 08/29/2003 8:46:27 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord
Why move? I love Upstate NY. I think the red bits just ought to secede. We can create a new state.
32 posted on 08/29/2003 8:49:30 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: proxy_user
"I have a high level of skill in Solaris, C++, Java, and Oracle."

What would you say is the best means of acquiring such skills?

33 posted on 08/29/2003 8:51:21 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: Phantom Lord
Elizabeth Dole wouldn't have been running prior to when she did as she was a resident of another state, and Jesse was still holding the seat. And she didn't run in the early 1990's. She ran in 2002.

I know when Dole ran for that seat. I used the early 1990s as the frame of reference because that's the time period covered in these population figures. Do you honestly think a candidate of Dole's caliber could have been elected in North Carolina in, say, 1986? My guess is that she would have gotten her @ss kicked by a conservative Democrat. Unless she were running as a conservative Democrat, of course.

And suburbs tend to vote republican.

Ask anyone in the New York City metropolitan area what a "suburban Republican" is, and I'll bet most Republicans in this country wouldn't even recognize them.

Suburban Republicans have elected people like George Pataki, Tom Kean, and Christie Todd Whitman to office. The more suburban Republicans you get down there in North Carolina (especially as they move there from New York), the more your GOP candidates are going to start looking like these people. Trust me -- Liddy Dole is only the beginning.

My simple warning to you folks is this . . . Don't make the mistake of confusing "Republican" with "conservative" when these former New Yorkers start moving in next door.

34 posted on 08/29/2003 8:52:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: presidio9
there are exceptions; Oregon and Washington state gained, while Louisiana lost

The emmigration out of Washington has merely come later. It is occuring now as the standard RAT-rule economy (closed-shop union state) has taken its strangle-hold and is bleeding the state dry of businesses. Washington always lags the national figures (we're just plain behind-the-curve on everything here). The next set of figures will not show an increase in Washington, but a pretty dramatic outflow. Unemployment here is worse than even in California.

The answer for all this is simple: When RATS rule governments for long periods of time (they've ruled this state's executive branch solely for a generation now) they destroy their economy's means of supporting the population. They do it with rules (draconian environmental rules here), with the setting of laws giving organized labor an overwhelming advantage, with the establishment of large, bloated social service and education budgets, and with the passage of onerous tax burdens on the businesses that operate (or try to operate) within their jurisdiction. And after they have ruled for a generation, when they feel invulnerable to any political consequences, they then will also do it with outright corruption, cronyism, and requiring tribute from any large business that wishes to do business within their sphere of influence.

It is something that always comes from long periods of one-party rule. They spend away what previous generations have built up, and blame someone else, anyone else, when the structure collapses on them.

People are going to states where there is still a balance in the economy that allows it to function properly -- and create the means of allowing people to support themselves.

35 posted on 08/29/2003 8:54:30 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Phantom Lord
There's a lot to what you say, but some of us moved to Florida because it has no income tax. That was my motivation and I moved here long before reaching retirement age.
36 posted on 08/29/2003 8:55:33 AM PDT by caltrop
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To: proxy_user
The smart guys are already forming the consulting companies that will help you bring IT back inhouse after an unsuccessful outsourcing.

Yep - I resemble that remark.

37 posted on 08/29/2003 8:55:38 AM PDT by Noumenon (Those who seek the destruction of a free society are unfit to live in that same society.)
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To: presidio9
BYE BYE, get out of my state and go back to New York Conneticut or where ever you came from.
38 posted on 08/29/2003 8:55:54 AM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes.... get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Let me know when "Conservative Democrats" start approaching anything resembling a conservative.
39 posted on 08/29/2003 8:57:46 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: caltrop
Of course there are people like you. But you are the extreme exception. Your numbers are overwhelmed by the blue hairs numbers.
40 posted on 08/29/2003 8:58:23 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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