Posted on 08/29/2003 7:02:30 AM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Precisely.
Agreed. That pot 'o gold at the end of the outsourcing rainbow will be filled with curry-reeking floaters. Bad code, bad service, bad ideas. It'l lall come home to roost.
2. Regardless of which party dominated the state's political landscape for the last century, there's no way North Carolina could have been "liberal" to any extent before the early 1990s if it had already elected Jesse Helms to three terms in the U.S. Senate by that point. And if Helms had stuck around for the 2002 and 2008 elections, his races would have become increasingly tight.
3. North Carolina has become increasingly urbanized over the last ten years. Regardless of party affiliation, voters who live in urban and suburban areas tend to be much more liberal than their rural counterparts.
4. John Edwards. Case closed.
Thats because the old time southern democrats are literally dyeing off.
Elizabeth Dole wouldn't have been running prior to when she did as she was a resident of another state, and Jesse was still holding the seat. And she didn't run in the early 1990's. She ran in 2002.
2. Regardless of which party dominated the state's political landscape for the last century, there's no way North Carolina could have been "liberal" to any extent before the early 1990s if it had already elected Jesse Helms to three terms in the U.S. Senate by that point. And if Helms had stuck around for the 2002 and 2008 elections, his races would have become increasingly tight.
Sure they would have been increasingly tight. And there is no doubt that his age would have been a major factor in this. I will be surprised if Jesse is still around in 2008. And don't give me that "Strom" argument when it comes to age. And Jesse was a target of the entire left, nationwide and thus anyone running against him had full support, both financial and with bodies from every left wing group on the planet in an attempt to defeat him. Jesse ran against and would have run against far more than his opponent and his opponents personal abilities.
3. North Carolina has become increasingly urbanized over the last ten years. Regardless of party affiliation, voters who live in urban and suburban areas tend to be much more liberal than their rural counterparts.
NC is all over the board on that one. Many rural areas, and vast stretchs of rural area vote democrat in NC. And urban centers vote republican as well. And NC has become more suburban than urban. We don't have large population centers like most major cities. Its all spread out in the suburbs. And suburbs tend to vote republican.
4. John Edwards. Case closed.
John Edwards, as you may recall, beat Lauch Faircloth, who ran one of the most inept campaigns I have ever seen. Also, except for once or twice if memory serves me right, no one has been reelected to that seat in 140 years.
The election of John Edwards is by no means evidence of "evil liberal yankee influence" on the elections in this state.
Explain Gov for Life Hunt, Democratic control since the beginning of time of all levels of goverment in this state, and people like David Price, Mel Watt, Bob Ethridge, Mike Easley, Jim Graham, Ralph Campbell, etc...
None of these people were elected because of us evil yankees moving in.
Or, it might be viewed as pollution of good Red Zone counties by Blue Zone lefties.
The migration was noted, but there was no statement of political consequences. I know that Yankees migrating to Tennessee whine in the newspaper about what they miss.
Do I have any interest in moving back to NY? Hell NO!
What would you say is the best means of acquiring such skills?
I know when Dole ran for that seat. I used the early 1990s as the frame of reference because that's the time period covered in these population figures. Do you honestly think a candidate of Dole's caliber could have been elected in North Carolina in, say, 1986? My guess is that she would have gotten her @ss kicked by a conservative Democrat. Unless she were running as a conservative Democrat, of course.
And suburbs tend to vote republican.
Ask anyone in the New York City metropolitan area what a "suburban Republican" is, and I'll bet most Republicans in this country wouldn't even recognize them.
Suburban Republicans have elected people like George Pataki, Tom Kean, and Christie Todd Whitman to office. The more suburban Republicans you get down there in North Carolina (especially as they move there from New York), the more your GOP candidates are going to start looking like these people. Trust me -- Liddy Dole is only the beginning.
My simple warning to you folks is this . . . Don't make the mistake of confusing "Republican" with "conservative" when these former New Yorkers start moving in next door.
The emmigration out of Washington has merely come later. It is occuring now as the standard RAT-rule economy (closed-shop union state) has taken its strangle-hold and is bleeding the state dry of businesses. Washington always lags the national figures (we're just plain behind-the-curve on everything here). The next set of figures will not show an increase in Washington, but a pretty dramatic outflow. Unemployment here is worse than even in California.
The answer for all this is simple: When RATS rule governments for long periods of time (they've ruled this state's executive branch solely for a generation now) they destroy their economy's means of supporting the population. They do it with rules (draconian environmental rules here), with the setting of laws giving organized labor an overwhelming advantage, with the establishment of large, bloated social service and education budgets, and with the passage of onerous tax burdens on the businesses that operate (or try to operate) within their jurisdiction. And after they have ruled for a generation, when they feel invulnerable to any political consequences, they then will also do it with outright corruption, cronyism, and requiring tribute from any large business that wishes to do business within their sphere of influence.
It is something that always comes from long periods of one-party rule. They spend away what previous generations have built up, and blame someone else, anyone else, when the structure collapses on them.
People are going to states where there is still a balance in the economy that allows it to function properly -- and create the means of allowing people to support themselves.
Yep - I resemble that remark.
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