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Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More
One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

Marian devotion is the cure for heresy and the healing of all heretics. We must turn to her for refuge from the heretical depravity now consuming the Church. Marian devotion is the destruction of error, the fount of humility, and a potent safeguard for orthodox faith.

Mary Is the Destroyer of All Heresies

In True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis de Montfort writes:

The most infallible and indubitable sign by which we may distinguish a heretic, a man of bad doctrine, a reprobate, from one of the predestinate, is that the heretic and the reprobate have nothing but contempt and indifference for our Blessed Lady, endeavoring by their words and examples to diminish the veneration and love of her. (30)

In the Tract for the Mass Salve Sancta Parens, the Church sings, “Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, thou alone hast destroyed all heresies.” From this, Pope St. Pius X invoked her as “Destroyer of Heresies” in Pascendi 58. And again, it was in the context of St. Dominic’s war against heresy that the Holy Rosary, Mary’s psalter, was revealed.

Thus, it is manifest that Our Lady holds a special place in the relationship of Holy Church with heresy and heretics. Why is this? It is because the root cause of heresy is not anger, lust, or sloth, but pride. A formal heretic pridefully and obstinately rejects the authority of the Church and the authority of the Fathers. His whole opinion hinges on an imaginary antiquarianism created by his pride. And it is against the sin of pride that Our Lady most perfectly shows her power. This is why St. Louis says in another place:

[Satan] fears her not only more than all Angels and men, but in some sense more than God Himself … because Satan, being proud, suffers infinitely more from being beaten and punished by a little and humble handmaid of God, and her humility humbles him more than the Divine power. (True Devotion, 52)

Demons and heretics fear her because she threatens to humble them. The latter impiously attack her under the pretense that they are safeguarding the honor due to God. In reality, they know that Mary will destroy their prideful opinions. “Humility is an abomination to the proud ” (Ecclus. 13:24).

How Mary Humbles the Proud

When the Holy Spirit exalted Mary by the mouth of St. Elizabeth, Mary said:

He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. (Lk. 1:51)

Devotion to Mary brings humility to the soul. Just as St. John heard her voice and leaped for joy, and St. Elizabeth immediately humbled herself, saying “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Lk. 1:43), we too know this humility when we exalt Mary.

Mary humbles us because God wills that Jesus Christ be manifested to the world through her. According to nature, any man is her equal. According to grace and merit, she is “more honorable than the cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim” [1]. In Mary, our humility is truly tested because she is a human, not God.

Humility toward God is presumed by all, and heretics falsely think themselves humble because they say they submit to God. But their pride is revealed when they refuse to submit to man — both legitimate authority and the sayings of the wise. “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsels” (Prov. 12:15).

A humble man may even debase himself before wicked men, as our Lord did.  But heretics have no humility toward men. In reality, heretics are attempting to impose their private opinion on all authorities. They have no humility toward any human but are consumed in their own selves. As the history of Protestantism has shown, it is easy to feign humility toward God while exalting yourself over every man. This is the way of all the heretics.

One who is humble toward Mary will be humble toward authority. Mary especially checks the pride of heretics by proclaiming that they cannot have their own private, “personal Jesus,” since our Lord has forever bound Himself to His mother by His incarnation. In the same way that the Incarnation is the foundation of our redemption — without which there can be no Passion or Resurrection — the human person of Jesus Christ cannot exist without the person of Mary [2]. As I have written in another place, true union with Christ will result in love of Mary as our mother, who was also the first natural cause of His appearance to the world.

Marian Devotion is a test for orthodoxy

Since Marian Devotion is the fount of humility, it becomes a powerful test for orthodoxy. For example, when St. John Vianney’s lack of intelligence presented a barrier to his ordination, he was evaluated like this:

The vicar-general asked the superior of the seminary: ‘Is young Vianney pious? Is he devoted to the Blessed Virgin?’ The authorities were able to assure him fully upon these points. ‘Then,’ said the vicar-general, ‘I will receive him. Divine grace will do the rest.’ [3]

And so the Church ordained the future patron of parish priests. Sometimes it is as simple as asking if a man has Marian devotion. If a man is truly devoted to our Lady, he can be no heretic. St. Louis again:

“If you follow her,” says St. Bernard, “you cannot wander from the road.” Fear not, therefore, that a true child of Mary can be deceived by the evil one, or fall into any formal heresy. There where the guidance of Mary is, neither the evil spirit with his illusions, nor the heretics with their subtleties, can ever come — Ipsa tenente, non corruis. (True Devotion, 209) [4]

Thus, it is unsurprising that when we read through Building a Bridge by James Martin, S.J., a book purported to be about mercy and compassion, not a single page mentions the Mother of mercy and compassion. In fact, on page 130, he even erroneously asserts that at the Resurrection, Mary Magdalene was the first Christian, implicitly denying our Lady and the entire tradition of her Saturday memorial in which her sole faithfulness is commemorated. The examples of his warped or deficient Marian piety are only too easy to find [5].

But it is even more disturbing when we read how the Rhine group at Vatican II successfully suppressed the document on the Mother of God, relegating it, by a narrow vote, to the final section in Lumen Gentium (against the protests from Eastern Catholic bishops and others) [6]. When their efforts to suppress Marian devotion were opposed by Paul VI (to his credit), the time became known to them as “Black Week” [7]. Perhaps more alarming, Ratzinger himself admits that his Marian piety was weak in Last Testament and seems to imply the false dichotomy that Marian piety is not Christocentric [8]. Without succumbing to the sin of rash judgment, it is nevertheless suggestive that this lack of Marian piety correlates with an apparent hubris on the part of many Vatican II “reformers.”

Whatever the true state of these and other men with an apparent reluctance to love and honor their own mother, we can be certain that our Blessed Lady is a sure refuge from heresy. As Fr. Ripperger has stated, without a strong intellectual formation, everyone becomes a Modernist in our corrupt society. That is why we must cling to Our Lady for refuge from heretics and heresy in our time.

True devotion to Mary keeps us safe from the excesses of pride. Even more in our day, let us consider: she stood firm, though she witnessed the Passion and death of our Lord. We also must stand firm, even as we are witnessing the passion and death of the Church. Moreover, it seems clear from her frequent apparitions since the 19th century that Our Lord has purposed His mother for a special role in resolving this crisis. Let us pray our daily rosary and make the First Saturdays. Let us abide with Our Lady in the Passion of the Church and never lose hope for the Glorious Resurrection.


[1] Eastern Catholic Marian antiphon

[2] So too the mediation of the Sacraments — through another human — we receive our Lord.

[3] The Life of Saint John Vianney, The Curé of Ars, ch. 1

[4] It should be noted that Marian devotion is not an infallible test for orthodoxy, but merely a general rule against which there can be significant exceptions. Some Protestants, although material heretics, are in fact humble, and some Catholics are orthodox with little or no Marian piety. However, no man can be truly devoted to Our Lady and be a heretic. Moreover, formal heresy is defined as an error in the intellect and an obstinate will. It is particularly the latter from which Mary keeps us safe.

[5] I refuse to expose the reader to any further abuse of Our Lady from James Martin. Suffice it to say I have searched in vain for a substantial treatment or promotion of Marian devotion from Martin, and he admits in My Life with the Saints, p. 345ff., that his Marian devotion, which was shallow in his youth, was formed by the Jesuits as an imitation model, not the traditional, primarily mediatrix role. If his Marian devotion does go beyond sentimentality, let him publicly and explicitly disavow every heresy of which he is accused.

[6] See Rev. Ralph Wiltgen, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber (Augustine, 1979), 90ff.

[7] See Ibid., 234ff. The Rhine group was opposing Paul VI’s honoring of our Lady as “Mother of the Church” as well as his actions regarding collegiality, religious liberty, and ecumenism.

[8] See Benedict XVI, Last Testament, trans. Jacob Phillips (Bloomsbury, 2016), 70ff. As I have read more into Ratzinger, despite his obvious strengths, more of his theology has concerned me. This point was another red flag


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To: smvoice
Thank you for that correction. You're right, it's 2 Thess. 2:15.

Warm aprpeciation to you, Paul, Sylvanus and Timotheus.

681 posted on 08/10/2019 10:43:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: Iscool
My tagline, as well as my NAB (New American Bible) has the comma after "taught" --- which I think is the same as your Bible. BibleHub has several after "word," several after "taught," and several with no comma at all. KJV has two commas, one after "taught" and one after "word." The original (in Koine Greek) has no commas, of course.

So this is a distinction without a difference. I don't think the comma, wherever its placed, points to any difference --- far less, any contradiciton--- between the written or the oral transmission of the Apostles' teachings.

BTW it's 2 Thess 2:15. I had the wrong verse of Thess.

683 posted on 08/10/2019 11:28:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: ravenwolf

Still in a fog, eh? No one on this thread is anti-Mary the Mother of Jesus. I and others are not swallowing the heresies of the Catholicism created Mary. Is there some point upon which you are stuck and cannot comprehend that?


684 posted on 08/10/2019 11:35:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ravenwolf

Have you ever read that passage where MAry and Jesus’s brothers AND sisters stood outside a house and asked to speak with Him?


685 posted on 08/10/2019 11:37:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie
Not so:

---but you must make a distinction between Apostolic Tradition (which all comes from the Apostolic era -- the Apostles themselves and their co-workers, companions and disciples like Timothy, Titus, Barnabas, Silas, etc.) and lower-case "t" tradition, which could be later and could vary, e.g. whether the Sign of Peace is to be observed with a kiss or a handshake.

Some of the kids do a thumbs-up, but I don't think this is traditional. :o).

686 posted on 08/10/2019 11:39:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: ebb tide; daniel1212

Interesting, one of us is right. The other is wrong.

I based my view on what the scriptures tells us. You on what someone tells you. It should give you pause.


687 posted on 08/10/2019 12:05:52 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: MHGinTN

Yes, a thousand times and the first time I read it I thought as you do, that mary had other children.

Jesus had brothers and sisters is the only hint that mary had other children which is a false concept.

There is no hint other than that that mary had other children
but there are several scriptures that hints pretty strongly that she didn’t.

John 19:25-27 25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

The above scripture alone is enough to convince any one that Jesus was Marry`s only child.

not to mention the other scriptures I gave you.


688 posted on 08/10/2019 12:30:41 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: MHGinTN

No one on this thread is anti-Mary the Mother of Jesus........

That is false.


690 posted on 08/10/2019 12:49:32 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
Christ the son existed but not Jesus.

So that's four parts to the Trinity...Five if you count the Catholic's Mary...

691 posted on 08/10/2019 12:52:31 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ravenwolf

Aren’t you the nice one. Personal insults are of only the last resort of the one that has lost the argument they are also not allowed on the forum


692 posted on 08/10/2019 12:58:47 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Iscool

So that’s four parts to the Trinity...Five if you count the Catholic’s Mary...

I only count three my self, the father, the son which is Christ and the holy spirit.

Jesus was born and became the son Christ, that still leaves only three.


693 posted on 08/10/2019 1:05:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Mom MD

Aren’t you the nice one........

I suppose I could go into revelation 17 which describe the prods of being whores , yeah talk about nice.


694 posted on 08/10/2019 1:09:00 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: metmom

Show me from scripture..........

It does no good to show some one scripture who does not believe scripture.


695 posted on 08/10/2019 1:15:19 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Really. What verse describes protestants as whores. I eagerly await your answer.


696 posted on 08/10/2019 1:19:12 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: papertyger

The “brothers” of Jesus were the sons of Clopas, not Joseph.......

That is true and it is pretty well documented for any one who wants to know the truth but make believe Christians are not interested in the truth, they just want every one to think they have all kinds of faith.


697 posted on 08/10/2019 1:32:00 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
Correct me if I am wrong. The Catholics believe that jesus was God in the the flesh so therefore believe that Mary is the mother of God. The Protestants believe Jesus was God in the flesh but deny that Mary was the mother of God, talk about hypocrictical. Or is it just stupid?

It is rather foolish to argue that Protestants have a uniform view, but as regards the logic that Jesus was God in the the flesh so therefore Mary is the mother of God, the problem (as I have before times expressed) is that while even if allowable in that specified sense, yet yet this lack of specification of Mary being the mother of the Divine Christ who created her versus what the normal use of "Mother of God" naturally conveys. As would be calling the mother of Mary the grandmother of God (and all the way back to Eve), being contrary to the language of Scripture, and its careful distinguishing btwn the Creator and the created.

While in a specified technical sense Mary could be called the mother of God as the bearer of the incarnated Divine creator Son, like as Israel itself could be called the God-bearer as qualified, (Rm. 9:5) yet the uncritical common use of the formal title "Mother of God" is misleading and even a blasphemous use since its normal denotation is that of ontological oneness, while Mary contributed absolutely zero to the deity of Christ, and was not responsible for the Divine nature that makes Him the very Son of God.

In contrast, the Holy Spirit is careful to add the qualifier "according to the flesh" and emphasizes Deity ("and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever")   when stating that the Divine Christ came out of Israel. (Rm. 9:5)

While "mother of my lord" as specifying Christ can be used, (Lk. 1:43) "Mother" of" and Deity are not to commonly go together, and at best, what Ratzingers states regarding "Co-redemptrix" applies to "Mother of God," as concerns the language of Scripture:

"the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53).

“Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way. “For matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language” (God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306)

698 posted on 08/10/2019 1:32:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: HarleyD
I based my view on what the scriptures tells us. You on what someone tells you.

Pinning the charge of being a hater on those who are opposing thinking of a mortal far, far, far above that which is written, ascribing power, titles and glory that is nowhere given to any created being in Scripture, and only to God, has no more warrant than liberals charging those who oppose their perversion of male and female with being haters.

699 posted on 08/10/2019 1:37:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Mark17
Besides that Dan, praying to the dead is necromancy. The thing is though, how do Catholics know that the so called “saints in Heaven,” are actually in Heaven. Many of these people may be in Hell. I don’t think anyone Hell, is going to be much interested in petitioning God on their behalf. Those “saints” in Hell, will be too caught up in their own agony, where the pain goes to infinity, to care about anything going on in the earth. 👎 Weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I am sadly confident that most Catholics, as well as liberal Prots, are in Hell (And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1 Peter 4:18), but I disagree with the popular conception that the lost are railing against God in Hell, and have no thought about the welfare of those on earth. Instead, the (true) story of the rich man in Luke 16 reveals a souls with more concern for lost souls then most who profess to be Christians today.

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)

700 posted on 08/10/2019 1:53:05 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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