Former Mormon lifts the lid on church's 'creepy' baptisms for the DEAD that sees children being put through 'traumatizing' ceremonies to 'save' those who have passed away

Daily Mail UK ^ | March 17, 2024 | Lillian Gissen

[Morgana]

A former Mormon has lifted the lid on the church's bizarre 'baptisms for the dead' - revealing the temple sent her to a cemetery to take pictures of gravestones as a kid and then forced her to participate in a ceremony for the deceased.

Alyssa Grenfell, 31, who now works as an assistant principle in Austin, Texas, was raised in a 'devout Mormon family' in Utah, but decided to leave the 'controlling religion' in 2017.

She has since dedicated her life to helping others 'navigate their own way out of the LDS church' - releasing her own 'guide' called How to Leave the Mormon Church, while also becoming a viral social media star for sharing her experiences online.

Most recently, Alyssa spoke out about a 'creepy' process that saw the group baptize people who have passed away - even if they weren't members of the religion before their death.

In a video shared to her YouTube channel last week, where she has more than 85,000 subscribers, Alyssa announced: 'The Mormon church is baptizing your dead relatives.'

She explained that members of the religion believe that 'everyone must be baptized by the proper Mormon authority' to move on to 'Spirit Paradise' when they pass away.

'Essentially, when someone passes away, if they haven't had the chance to receive a Mormon baptism, they're not saved,' she said.

'So Mormons take the names of those who have not been baptized and take them to the LDS temple.

'They also believe that it's up to the person to accept or reject the baptism on the other side.

[DownInFlames]

Nuts

[OKSooner]

Well, they’re populating Milt’s planet for him in advance for when he becomes a Mormon diety. The Planet Milt.

[MMusson]

They marry their dead relatives and ‘save’ them as part of their family. That is why Mormons are so big on genealogy.

And, like any good multi-level marketing program, the more you save under you, the higher up the ladder you go.

[Chickensoup]

You know. It’s really not my business.

[fightin kentuckian]

This poor woman who was victimized by the church because she wanted to do things counter to church teachings.

Now that she’s doing those those things she’s pissed because she wants the church to embrace her new lifestyle, she still wants to be in the church but she’s hurt because the church won’t embrace her.

Now she wants payback and starts badmouthing the church. Sounds a lot what a lot of ex Catholics did in the 90s.

[fightin kentuckian]

What you just said has nothing to do with the Mormon religion.

[Dr. Sivana]

I have a cousin who abandoned the Catholicism that she was raised in and became Mormon after marrying one for her second marriage (her first marriage was to the 1st Mate of the Exxon Valdez. The captain was a drunkard.)

Anyway, she’s welcome to do the genealogical research on my mother’s side of the family. Saves us the heavy lifting of filling in ancestry.com. The ceremony is pointless, and is invalid even on the living, as Mormons are not Trinitarian.

They can be excellent allies in certain political battles, and I do not hold it against them that they take care of their own. To the degree that their belief system is compatible with Natural Law, they can be political allies, as we address the differences in other spheres.

[Dr. Sivana]

I just can’t believe that anyone with a half a brain could even go to this cult-church.

The funny thing is they do tend to draw in some highly intelligent people. I hope that Pat Buchanan is still praying for and talking to his sister Bay about this.

[monkeyshine]

Unless there is something abusive going on it just sounds like they send people to take pictures at a cemetery. Doesn’t really sound all that bizarre. What they do afterwards I have no idea.

The Hollywood Forever cemetery hosts holiday parties, food events, and outdoor movie screenings Now that is bizarre.

[ansel12]

“””Well, they’re populating Milt’s planet for him in advance for when he becomes a Mormon diety. The Planet Milt.”””

Glenn Beck is also a Temple Mormon, as was Harry Reid.

[JAKraig]

And, like any good multi-level marketing program, the more you save under you, the higher up the ladder you go.

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BS

First nobody is forced to do anything, period. Most kids look forward to the time they can go to the temple to do baptisms for the dead. Nobody keeps track of how many people you go through for. My wife and kids are LDS they have never had a complaint about the church except that they didn’t want to follow all the rules.

There is no immodesty, they wear a heavy undergarment that completely covers their entire torso and then a heavy white jumpsuit over the top of that.

The idea that someone doing something like a baptism ceremony for someone who is dead being a problem is silly. If you don’t believe in it why should it bother you. If it isn’t approved by God then what difference does it make. I don’t care if someone makes a Voodoos doll of me and sticks pins in it.

I think the motive is pure they want to make sure everybody is baptized. They think it is necessary to enter Heaven. Catholics believe that and many protestant religions believe it. If you don’t believe it then make fun it if you will but don’t label it evil.

It seems many people who leave the Mormon faith have to defend their leaving and bring others with them.

[Dr. Sivana]

Now that she’s doing those those things she’s pissed because she wants the church to embrace her new lifestyle, she still wants to be in the church but she’s hurt because the church won’t embrace her.

I lived in a cheap rooming house during my year of law school. One of the tenants was the unlikeliest Mormon I ever met. At early middle age, she was unusually overweight for a Mormon. She was also talking about waiting for her payout from the Dalkon Shield class action suit. Traditionally-minded Catholics are disgusted by the idea of the Dalkon Shield, and I couldn't imagine Mormons being too excited about it either, especially for the single and divorced.

She did have a flair for writing letters to corprations and getting them to give her stuff for free. She scored a huge haul after writing a fan latter to TastyKake.

It was a strange rooming house. Catholic law student. Hard leftist middle aged Methodist black newspaper writer. The Jackest of Jack Mormons. A Red Chinese tea expert attending the agriculture grad school (I trolled him by asking him about Charlie Chan. I also gave him some Chinese language Christian literature.) Two Malaysian gals working for $1 an hour at the Chinese restaurant who flushed things down the toilet that weren't supposed to be flushed (it backed up into my room), and spent hours in the bathtub doing laundry by hand, singing what might well have been the Malaysian equivalent of "This is the Way we wash our clothes." I wanted to take a shower. That wasn't happening. Oh well, what does one want for $55/month?

[fightin kentuckian]

Birth control is not a Mormon issue. Never has been unless it’s someone like you described who want’s to be a perpetual victim.

[Dr. Sivana]

Catholics believe that and many protestant religions believe it.

Actually, the full Catholic formulation is "Baptism, or the effects thereof". The details of what that means entails a lively discussion to this day. We need it for everyone born before Christianity. The Holy Innocents killed by Herod along with some martyrs who were killed after conversion but before having an opportunity for Baptism (some were slain on the spot after simply saying "I'm with him") qualifies as a Baptism of Blood.

I do not make of Mormons for their practice of wearing special clothing. I wear a brown scapular (two pieces of brown wool tied with a string worn around the neck as a spiritual devotion. Some might think it as a charm or some such without an explanation. So I do not begrudge the Mormons their practice without reading up more on it. I will certainly take that over "Christian" artists who wear a cross necklace while their bosoms are almost completely poured out. If modesty is a primary motivator, good for them.

[Dr. Sivana]

Birth control is not a Mormon issue.

Some low estrogen birth control pills are known to act as a very early abortifacient. Do Mormons make a distinction?

In general, Mormons seem open to large families and even if they don't have a formal rule against contraception, they don't seem too excited about shutting down operations.

[nfldgirl]

Assistant “Principle”?

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