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It is very interesting that the source that you quote says that the new Code or Canon Law was based on the Council. Redoing the Canon Law is at least a twenty year process. And you want a person, who never even attended the Council to take responsibility, even though he did not attend, and was all but sequestered in a communist country, just because he got elected Pope in 1978, the Council having ended in 1964, and twenty four years later, you want a Pope who could not possibly have had an affect on its writing as a newly elected Pope, he was even shot in 1981, you want to lay it on his door step and make him totally responsible for it three papacies later! It seems as though you have already assigned blame and by the amount of time between when I posted this and your answer, there was not enough time for you to check out even one of my references. You have nothing but bad things to say about the people in Rome but you swallow every lie they want to tell you. If that’s your idea of consistency, I’ll go to my judgement and defend my own idea of consistency. You’re stuck with them by your own choice. I am not.

My brother, I have in my possession a book called "The Rhine Flows Into the Tiber": A History of Vatican II. It was written by Fr. Ralph M. Wiltgen, S.V.D. I have read it a couple of times and in the back of the book is an index of the topics and the Attendees at Vatican II. There is no mention anywhere in this book of a Bishop Karol Wojtyla. His superior, the Patriarch of Poland at the time, Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski did however attend. I fail to see how Pope John Paul II could be " Mr. Vatican II" when he never attended. He was in a communist country and no doubt did not get communist permission to come to the council. (See "Windswept House" for his position on Vatican II by Vatican insider, Malachi Martin.) He was also an auxilliary of Cardinal Wyszynski and therefore no doubt also had responsibilities given him in the absence of the Cardinal. A very prominent actor, however, was a Fr. Joseph Ratzinger. I try, with the help of God's grace to not lead others astray. In the last twenty years I have spent literally hours reading about and researching and reading the works of Pope John Paul II. I've also spent time, thanks to several donors going through photographs from L'Osservatore Romano, Time Magazine, Newsweek Magazine and others because some of the differences in the people I saw in the pictures were, for me, as familiar as I am with his face, astoundingly dissimilar to the original. Unlike with Pope Paul VI whom I could only detect one imposter for, I found seven distinctly different people being purported to being Pope John Paul II. (Even to one with a very distinct wine mark on his face.) In fact, I have three pictures dated the same year with a man old and stoop shouldered, close to 200 lbs., no noticeable neck, and a slight droop to his mouth; one about 140 lbs. standing erect, with no droop to his mouth, seemingly in good heath; another picture, the same year, a man in an oversized high chair looking very frail and ill.

I also read enough of his encyclicals and exhortations and books from his early papacy as well as his biography by Jonathan Kwitny, called "The Man of the Century" and literally studied "Windswept House" and "The Keys of This Blood" and other books by Malachi Martin so that I could almost pick out things that have been put out in his name fraudulently.

In the pedophile priest scandal, Pope John Paul II demanded the US Cardinals to come to Rome and when they did, they hid behind the head of the NCCB. And he, after Pope John Paul II had decreed to the Cardinals that they were no longer allowed to let their Bishops to simply send their priests to a shrink, or to move them from parish to parish, but rather to defrock them, and turn them over to the law for their heinous crime. Bishop Gregory, the then president of the NCCB on the Vatican steps told his pope that the American Bishops would take that under advisement when they held their meeting on pedophile priests. This actually came as no surprise since on the ocassion of Pope John Paul II's election, Michael Davies reported that the NCCB had sent their pope a one lined telegram that said in Latin: "The Bishop of Rome has no jurisdiction in this Republic". I have done my homework. If you want a quick and exciting read to give you more of the detail on how Pope John Paul II was treated by his Cardinals, read " Windswept House", and afterwards, if you have the time, read "Man of the Century" and see what REALLY happened at Assisi.

I am in the business of saving souls and not selling them down the river, especially not from the Rhine to the Tiber. By the way, Joseph Ratzinger was the primo periti for Cardinal Fringe of Germany, the head of the Rhine Bishops who took over the council.

Thank you. I will remember you at my Mass tomorrow morning.

The operative word from your quote of St. Athanasius is "faithful to Tradition". I'm confused because of your concern, for the people in Rome in Vatican II essentially jettisoned Tradition and the Scriptures for their new Gospel in their new church of man. Obviously this points to Apocalypse 18:1~8: " And after these things, I saw another angel come down from Heaven, having great power: And the Earth was enlightened with his glory. And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen; and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every unclean spirit, and the hold of every unclean and hateful bird: Because all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the Earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the Earth have been made rich by the power of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto Heaven, and the Lord has remembered her iniquities."

As this is a more detailed and accurate description of the Benedict and Francis Show that you mention, it seems imperative to follow its very clear instruction to go out from her. Join a pre-Vatican II Traditional Catholic Church and concentrate on becoming as St. Athanasius says one of those: "who are the true Church of Jesus Christ" and don't look back once you put your hand to the plough. St.Luke 9:62: "No man putting his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

(Thank you God. Your timing is perfect.) Please read the comment 188 by Little Blue Nun in the thread "Jesus Christ in The Early Catholic Church". You and I are not alone.

Thank you so much for this information. It however does not help me in the dilemma that I have at this time. I truly do want all those who I inadvertently scandalised by my unadvised attempt at a Pre-Vatican II caucus, to be able to see and read my apology. How can I best accomplish this since I don’t know who these people are? And because I don’t want to step on any more land mines if I can help it, it would be great if you, in your generosity could help me to find a written source that I could study along with all the other common practices that it would be good for me to know so I don’t once again trip all over myself. I thank you once again for coming forth in this truly Christ like way. May God bless you and keep you.

Rome is not the Church. The Church is comprised of all true believers in the Catholic Faith as taught before Vatican II. Just like those in the diocese of St. Athanasius in the 300s is the best example of what I'm talking about. Over the course of nearly twenty years St. Athanasius, their Bishop, was exiled a good bit of that time. They kept the faith and essentially were the Church during that time period. St. Athanasius had taught them well and so they were able to keep their faith intact, and in fact succeeded in passing it on to succeeding generations. They simply accepted their responsibility as the Church. They had no contact or liaison with Rome. In fact they didn't have all the advantages that we have, i.e. a Bible in their language, or a Missal in their language. The Holy Spirit got them through it. He can do it for us too. After all, He's the One that Jesus said would remind us of all that He (Jesus) had taught us. We have to be very careful not to be derelict in our duties toward God because of others. If they can do it without Rome, and even without a Bishop, so can we with our Bible and our Missal in hand. If you can't trust your priest, go to Mass, get your Sacraments, go home. Pray and study, and pass on the Good News of the Gospel, and live the Gospel. God be with you and tighten your grip.

I, too would like to know the ‘Ping’ process. Perhaps its called something else. I hesitated in using ‘All’ but had concerns about offending anyone.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! (Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault!) I have prayed all through the night over what you, my fellow Freepers have said to me and what the Moderator has said. I want to thank you all for what I've concluded in my prayers are your legitimate concerns concerning me and the rules. I hope that you can accept my assurances that there was not only no malice intended but rather, love.

Ebb tide, I want to especially thank you for your persistence in pursuing whether or not I am a Bishop. It turns out that that is a part of the answer to my prayers. I was consecrated a Bishop in the Traditional Rite some nineteen years ago. Thus my pseudonym, Trad Bishop. Like the centurion in the Bible, I have been used to having people accept my authority and obeying my orders. I am now retired, but again as the Scripture says: "I am a priest forever according to the order of Melchisedech." As you are no doubt aware, Consecration to the Episcopacy gives that priest the fullness of the priesthood.

I always try to discharge my duties using 2 Timothy 4:1~5 as my guide. I also try always to keep the image of my crucified Lord always in view, especially in regard to those who, like Jesus, are meek and humble of heart to champion them. Again, as one used to authority, when I identify what I consider by using the example of Jesus in the Gospels, to be an apparent good, e.g. our salvation that Jesus went to the Cross for, I tried not to rest until that good was brought about.

I am apparently, thanks to you, now coming to the realization, since I am retired, that I'm no longer playing on my home field. That I no longer have the authority or the esteem that used to go with my office as Bishop. I'm realizing more acutely that I am the visiting team and that the home teams rules are different from the ones that I had set up for my own ball park.

Again, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

I assure you that this retired old dog can and will learn these new tricks. Please be patient with me and pray for me as I mean you, as I mean my God, only love. I'm still working on that with him also. Again, thank you for your concerns, and please continue not only to point out where I don't fit in, but on a positive note, point the way to do so.

You sir, can rest assured, I do not report to you. You have a pseudonym of ebb tide. Who do you report to? My ultimate reporting responsibility is to the Triune Godhead Whom all Catholics and Christians love and adore whose Feast Day we celebrate today. How about you? Every Bishop is responsible to the children of God to speak to them in His Name. Therefore, it is customary to acknowledge by using the term ‘We’ that he is only Christ's instrument and doesn't speak for himself. It puts the onus on me to watch what I say.

Our intent is to unify in love those who want to imitate Christ. As the psalm says “Lord, if You mark iniquity, who can stand?” If Campion marks iniquity against a fellow sinner, whom Jesus said to forgive, not seven times but seventy times seven times, how can love ever prevail? Say the “Our Father” and note the criteria that is set forth for our forgiveness. No where in that prayer does it say forgive only after you have gotten your pound of flesh/your revenge. In the venue of this new Caucus we hope to create space for love and where they will not accept it, we will create room for prayer. On the internet there’s absolutely no requirement for face to face confrontations. Get over it and move on. As the Moderator has specified.

Please go back and read and reread what we said we were going to do and not do in this Caucus.

Jesus Himself from what the Gospels tell us and from how many were at the foot of His Cross, is one clue. Another clue is that there is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 billion people who call themselves Catholics in the world (many of whom are only nominal Catholics), with a total population of 7.2 billion people, which isn't too far from 22-30%. Both of these statistics would indicate that who does and who doesn't go to church is not the limiting factor. Do you live your life and conduct yourself as a shining light as did Pope St. John Paul II? One of the prime requirements of canonization is to have evidenced, not just virtue, but heroic virtue. Heroic virtue gets plenty of notice, even by the bad guy. Live as Pope St. John Paul II did and love as he did, and you will have done your part. He imitated Christ. He lived by the primitive rule that Jesus, by His Life, gave to mankind. It's not possible to outdo Jesus and still not force anyone's free will. So keep your light where people can see it and your log where people can feel it.

See the section of this posting that describes the regular rules from the Moderator and our proposed changes.

This is not a Catholic Caucus, nor is this an open forum. It is a pre-Vatican II Caucus. Please read, once again “Pre-Vatican Caucus” and realize that it was instituted for just the purpose that you are asking. We can’t change the past but we can look forward now with life without Catholic haters. Stay off the Catholic Caucus and the open caucus and stay on this one.

Just got your email, and I’m here!

St. Matthew 7:13&14: "Enter ye at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in there at. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leads to life: and few there are that find it!"
Hebrews 5:1~4: "For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifice for sin: who can have compassion on them that are ignorant and that err: because he himself also is compassed with infirmity. And therefore he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. Neither does any man take to honor to himself, but he that is called by God, as Aaron was."

Any one who is familiar with Aaron certainly knows of the sins that the Bible tells us that Aaron committed. "But the things that are gain to me, the same that I have counted lost for Christ. Furthermore, I count all things to be but loss for the excellent knowledge of Jesus Christ my Lord; for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but as dung, that I may gain Christ: and may be found in Him, not having my justice, which is of the Law, but that which is of the faith of Christ Jesus, which is of God, justice in faith..." (Philippians 3:7,8,9)

Therefore, I come before you my dear brothers and sisters not as your accuser or judge, but as a fellow sinner who is still trying to fight the good fight. I'm simply trying to help you to do likewise and to remind us all that our prime objective is still to drain the swamp of our souls of anything that will keep us out of Heaven.

Our Lady at Fatima did NOT come up with anything NEW, but as a pupil of Jesus all during His private life. She reminded us of just what will keep us out of Heaven. Again, the primary reason why people don't find "the narrow gate" or find it closed, is for sins of the flesh, including: abortion, birth control, pornography, masturbation, adultery, etc. The following is a short list from Scriptures which all are indicated to be "sins unto death". In other words, if you die unrepented with these sins on your soul, you can't get into Heaven.

Leviticus 8:19,20. These all refer to sexual sins.
Genesis 18 & 19. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is obviously sexual sins.
Genesis 38. The story of Onan and even the story of Juda and Thamar: adultery, prostitution, and spilling of seed.
Job 31. Job made a covenant with his eyes.
St. Matthew 5:28~32. Adultery with the eyes and adultery otherwise.
Romans 1:24~32. Sins that will keep you out of Heaven, and verse 32 includes those that consent to those that do them.
Galatians 5:5,16~26, especially verses 19~21. These are sins that will keep you out of Heaven.
Apocalypse 22:14,15, especially verse 15.

All of these are accounted by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as mortal sin. In the French language, 'mort' means 'Death'! Mortal combat is to the 'Death'. We are in mortal combat daily with the devil and we MUST take it as seriously as he does. It's not a time to play cute or clever with the Trad Bishop because he's just a man. As a Watchman, it is my vowed duty to defend, first of all, Christ, in His rightful concerns for your souls, for which He paid the ultimate Price of His Suffering and Death on the Cross. Secondarily, but in total agreement with His concerns, it is also my vowed duty to arm you in this mortal conflict in which I am down in the trenches fighting right along side you. For, Satan is OUR enemy, not just yours.

We must clear up the difference between 'Redemption' and 'Salvation'. In Exodus 13:12~16, Moses received the commandment from God concerning the first born male of animals and of men. A price was to be paid to the priest for each of the first born males of certain animals. Verse 13 specifically says ..."and if they do not redeem it, thou shalt kill it", concerning animals; and every first born of men "thou shalt redeem with a price." Thus we can understand why Jesus as our Redeemer is the First Born of Men. He died on the Cross as the Redemption Price for mankind. It had to be an unblemished lamb, and so, "the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world" became sin for us and our propitiatory offering to the Eternal Father. Obviously, if the redemption price was not paid for an animal, it had to be killed; and therefore was no longer of service to the human. Therefore, Jesus's death fulfilled the requirement of our sin debt to the Eternal Father and we are free and alive then to serve the Eternal Father. How we perform our service will determine our Salvation/eternal destiny. We are in charge of of own eternal fate. St. Paul tells us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling, and let us never forget that St. Paul's Tutor was Jesus Himself in the three days that St. Paul was in the 3rd Heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:1~9) And therefore his saying "work out your salvation in fear and trembling" supercedes those who say we're saved by faith alone just as Lucifer's "non servium" (I will not serve) got him and his fellows thrown out of Heaven.

Ezechiel 33:12&13: "Thou therefore O son of man, say to the children of thy people: the justices of the just shall not deliver him, in what day soever he shall sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice in what day soever he shall sin. Yea, if I shall say to the just man he shall surely live, and he, trusting in his justice, commit iniquity: all his justices shall be forgotten, and in his iniquity which he has committed, in the same shall he dies." (Eternal) No sign of "once saved always saved" here, nor is there anything here regarding "faith alone", or that no works are necessary! After all, Martin Luther believed that even obeying the commandments were works!!

What Christ did for us on the Cross was our Redemption. In the Old Testament redemption meant to pay the price to the Temple so that an animal could live and that man could use him. Jesus paid our redemption/sin debt so that our Eternal Father would not destroy us for having stolen His and His only prerogative as mankind’s Creator. Like that animal from whom service was required by it’s owner, or his owner might sell him as useless, we must, as St. Paul tells us, work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Redemption and salvation are two different things. Redemption was given to us for free by Jesus on the Cross. Salvation will be decided by how well we suffer our cross and keep His commandments. If we are quick to confess our sins before we die, then God will be quick to forgive us. If we don’t we will spend eternity in Hell. Once we have taken that last breath, the state of our soul at that moment will remain that way for all eternity, giving us eternal life or eternal death. We decide. We are not predestined to Hell.

"But you are come to Mount Sion, and to the City of the Living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, and to the Church of the first born who are written in the Heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the New Testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaks better than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22~24

Would you please my dear sister, keep me in your prayers along with the decision that I myself am praying over at this minute. And thank you, thank you, thank you.