Posted on 06/01/2017 12:12:01 PM PDT by Trad Bishop
In all my years in the priesthood, the topic of Fatima, as so many people like Fr. Gruner and the Fatima Crusader, and many other authors too many to count, have made the central focus on the Consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart with a close secondary focus on the Third Secret. Neither of which will get any body to Heaven. My priestly function and Jesus Christ's mission center on the salvation of souls. Therefore, the more important part of what Our Lady had to say to the three seers in 1917 at Fatima was just to one of them, Jacinta. She was the youngest and most innocent and yet Our Lady entrusted to her the most significant part of Her message. In a very direct fashion, She united Her mission to Our Christ's in talking about the salvation of souls, in saying to Jacinta: "The sins that lead more souls to Hell are the sins of the flesh" and "Fashions that will greatly offend Our Lord will appear".
Since Our Lady announced this in such a singular fashion, after having shown the three seers Hell, it should be Number One in focus.
I have been following the Posts of The Little Blue Nun with great interest. I have, at her urging, taken the time to look at the websites that seem to be connected to a group called Fatima Revisited. In my reading of everything that's there, some of my own frustrations from the confessional about people not having been taught from God's perspective about sins of the flesh were answered. I find most people to be much more reasonable in their approaches to God and His Laws when they understand their origins. Again, salvation of souls should be paramount!
I urge all to read the following excerpt of one of their Treatises called "Blood Moons Over Fatima, The Woman IV", which gives a very down to earth but not earthy explanation of the Original Sin, which is the progenitor of all sins of the flesh...whose author is Lucifer himself! I encourage you, as I did, to read them all and become friends with your Heavenly Father, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit instead of being the pawn of Lucifer when it comes to sins of the flesh.
You can find this at "The Witnesses are Here!
https://sites.google.com/view/thewitnessesarehere
"From all eternity, God had a purpose for the human race in general, and for each individual in particular. To the question: “Why did God make me? The Baltimore Catechism answers: To get to know Him, love Him, and to serve Him in this world so that I can be with Him in the next.” Without the 'original sin' putting a wall between us and our Creator, we would have had perfect knowledge of God's intent, and the 'heart' to want to fulfill it to the max. There never was any such thing as going overboard in our love or service to God; this was/is a contrivance of Lucifer. Thus, instead of us having a naturally warm and loving relationship with our God and Creator, we have an adversarial relationship as pointed up in St. Matt 5:25-6 where Jesus tells us...”Be at agreement with thy adversary (Jesus) betimes, whilst thou art in the way with Him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the Judge, (God the Father) and the Judge deliver thee to the officer (Lucifer) and thou be cast into prison....” The 'original' sin also therefore made it necessary for God to 'command' us to love and obey Him, and thus also, the necessity of the Holy Bible, and the Precepts of the Church etc. Our Heavenly Mother and Queen, having been born without the 'original' sin, has no barriers to Her Immaculate Heart in loving Her God; quite the opposite, you couldn't stop Her if you tried. Her role in Her Son's Passion in spite of the danger it put Her in,is truly a testimony to that love.
So, what is this 'original' sin and how is it that God imposes it's consequences on all who come into the world? We weren't there! We didn't commit that sin, whatever it is. How is it that the Blessed Virgin got to be without it and WHY?
“Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? And the woman answered him saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it lest perhaps we die....” (Gen. 3:1~3)
“And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb”. (St. Luke 1:42)
...”And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between Me and you. An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock: And My covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant. The male , whose flesh of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he has broken my covenant” (Genesis 17:11~14)
...”But she shall remain three and thirty days in the blood of her purification. She shall touch no Holy thing, neither shall she enter into the sanctuary, until the days of her purification be fulfilled. But if she bear a maid child, she shall be unclean two weeks, according to the custom of her monthly courses, and she shall remain in the blood of her purification sixty-six days. And when the days of her purification are expired, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, a lamb of a year old for a holocaust, and a young pigeon or a turtle for sin, and shall deliver them to the priest...” (Leviticus 12:4~6)
...”And Mary said to the Angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called Son of God.” (St. Luke 1:34,35)
Can you see the connection between these foregoing quotes? Each has something to do with conceiving and bearing a child. Can you see how the Church got Her teachings on sexual morality? (see also Tobias 6:16~18 and 8:9) God made a new covenant with Abraham to replace the one that Adam and Eve had broken. Read Genesis chapter 4 and see what fruit Adam and Eve bore from their womb by coupling like animals. Adam and Eve were made in the Image and Likeness of God, Genesis 5:3 says that their children were in Adam's own image and likeness...the sinful fallen creature. How did this occur? We can easily tell when we read in Gen. 2:25 that Adam and Eve were naked and were not ashamed. Then we can read in Gen. 3:7 that, after they committed the original sin: “And the eyes of them both were opened: and when they perceived themselves to be naked, they sewed together fig leaves, and made themselves aprons.” What areas of the naked body does an apron cover?! Why did they then hide from God? What were they ashamed of? Why did God have Abraham circumcise himself and all of the males, perpetually...for its “sign” value? Why did the woman have to suffer the monthly “curse” and have to be purified and offer a sacrifice for sin because she had a baby? She could not touch anything holy lest she cause it to be “unclean”. Anything that she touched while she was “in her flowers was “unclean” and so was any Levite who came in contact with what she touched! Why was the woman commanded to offer a sacrifice for SIN when the days of her purification were over? Our faith teaches us that Jesus didn't need to be circumcised, and Mary didn't need to be purified because they didn't have 'original' sin, but were simply fulfilling the law so as to give the example of obedience to the law and so as not to bring unwanted attention to themselves or Jesus by scandal. Do we need any more evidence as to what the 'original' sin was? Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost and therefore still did not know man! Jesus was incarnated by the Holy Ghost, and not by animal coupling.
We all come into this world by way of the act that was the 'original' sin, it is not imposed on us by God. In this we can see how heinous this offense was to our all loving God (they ate the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden!) and how profound it's effect was for man. It took man from being just a little bit less than the angels, (they have no sluggish, sensual body to drag around) to being only slightly higher than the animals; they could no longer have God's children through the Holy Ghost, or travel with the speed of thought in their spirits, now they were earthbound and subject to their own passions and concupiscences. How profoundly sad! Even sadder, is the fact that we haven't learned our lesson! We continue to commit the 'original' sin for recreation, in unbridled passion, to release tension, spilling the 'seed of life' on the ground, using birth control methods, with people of our same sex, and with ourselves. Instead of repenting, reforming, or at least using the act as the animals do...just for procreation, and only when the biology is right, we use it as though it was just a light dessert with some calories to burn off. And that does not begin to address the heinous way that we treat the 'unwanted' children that are generated in this now mostly indiscriminate act. It's a wonder that we are even here to talk/read about it, both from the preservation of the species and the Wrath of God perspectives! There are very, very few post-pubescent people in this world who can say that they have not stolen at least some part of the sensual pleasure of this act without the benefit of marriage, or if they are married, have misused and abused the marriage act in one way or another."
A bunch’a HOOEY !
Yep...
Welcome to FR!
Heresy and nonsense. Original Sin has nothing to do with sex, sexual intercourse, etc.
Verging on Manichean, seems to me.
First of all, God gives mankind the mission to be fruitful and multiply and fill the whole earth before the Original Sin is committed.
Second of all, St. Augustine speculated that the marital act would have been more pleasurable before the Fall than after it—because it would not have been accompanied by lust and totally under control of the faculty of reason.
Heresy and nonsense.
= = =
Shortened to Horse Sense.
Never heard that one before.
Jesus was incarnated by the Holy Ghost, and not by animal coupling.
And Catholics wonder why people claim the Catholic church teaches sex is wrong and marriage is degraded.
I rest my case.
I have news for you.
A man's anatomy is designed for one purpose and it isn't for reliving himself. A man doesn't need his anatomy for that purpose. It serves only one other function.
And guess who designed it?
GOD!
It was HIS idea and God saw that it was VERY GOOD.
Never heard that one before.
Jesus was incarnated by the Holy Ghost, and not by animal coupling.
And Catholics wonder why people claim the Catholic church teaches sex is wrong and marriage is degraded.
I rest my case.
I have news for you.
A man's anatomy is designed for one purpose and it isn't for reliving himself. A man doesn't need his anatomy for that purpose. It serves only one other function.
And guess who designed it?
GOD!
It was HIS idea and God saw that it was VERY GOOD.
Sorry for the double post.
FR seems to be hanging up lately.
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True.
Daily Mass attendee here. I "realized" the importance of daily Mass from my Shia Muslim Saudi boss when we lived over there. He allowed me to go to daily Mass (9:00 A.M.) every Sunday, even though it was a work day. He said: "God is number one. There is always time for God. 'cloudmountain' can go to pray whenever she wants to."
He was correct and, after all these years, I CAN'T not go to daily Mass. If I have a time conflict I FEEL the absence of the Mass.
Our good Lord certainly uses His people in very interesting ways.
Please quote me where any of these citations that you give address in the detail that I have, sins of the flesh and/or what I intend to detail in future posts about clothing fashions. This subject has never been covered in any depth previously and that’s why sins are the flesh are STILL sending people to Hell more than anything else.
Nothing is sending people to hell.
Every human being born since Adam and Eve are condemned to hell for all eternity future (except for Christ Jesus), and our only hope is for salvation through faith in Christ.
Even for those who reject Christ, they are not condemned to hell for sexual immorality.
EVERY personal sin was paid for by Christ on the Cross. Forgiveness only comes after we face God and name our sins o Him through faith in what Chrst provided on the Cross, and hen He is just to forgive us those sins for our return into fellowship with Him.
It 's got nothing to do with how often people THOUGHT about it.
It's purely physiological.
Women come equipped different and they are capable of relieving themselves.
A man's anatomy is not necessary for that function but it is for procreation.
Thus my contention stands.
God created man equipped the way he was for the sole purpose of sex.
Claiming sex is animalistic and implying it's sinful is sitting in erroneous judgment on God's handiwork.
When I belonged to that works based religion, one teacher told us that huge numbers of people in the world, die and go to Hell every day, and the reason, was because of sexual sins.
I certainly believe huge numbers of people die and go to Hell everyday, but the cause is not due to sexual sins. 😱
Let's see. If the average person goes 5 times a day, then to get to 700 would take 140 days.
I'm pretty sure the normal, average male who has the opportunity doesn't do the deed once every 3 1/2 months.
If you knock that down to three times a day, then that makes it about twice a year.
I don't think so.
You got your ratio backwards.
The Fall was a result of eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
That’s what introduces sin into the world.
I don’t see anyone condemning eating.
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