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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

A Texas lawmaker has drafted a bill that would ban the United States from participating in the newly formed International Criminal Court.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is set to introduce "The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002," which he said "repudiates ICC jurisdiction over American citizens." The bill essentially provides that "the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States," said a draft copy obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Paul said his bill seeks to protect "American citizens against the ICC by urging President Bush to rescind the foolish Clinton administration signature of the ICC treaty." It would also ban "the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the court, and deems ICC actions against U.S. servicemen acts of aggression against America," said a statement issued by Paul's office.

"The ICC is completely illegitimate, even under the U.N.’s own charter," Paul said.

"We characterize this legislation as a counteroffensive at this point," Jeff Deist, a spokesman for Paul, told WorldNetDaily. "Congressman Paul has many findings in the bill that lays out the case against the legitimacy and authority of the (ICC)."

Among them, said the Texas lawmaker, is the fact that the world body's "charter gives neither the U.N. General Assembly nor any other U.N. agency lawmaking authority."

"In other words," he continued, "there cannot be U.N. 'laws,' and there is no valid law authorizing the establishment of the ICC. The ratification of the ICC treaty, whether by 60 nations or 1,000, does nothing to give the court any legal authority whatsoever."

The bill notes that that under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."

"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms, the bill says.

It notes that the ICC is "wholly unauthorized by the Charter of the United Nations." And, it says the ICC statute "also contravenes the principle of government only by the consent of the governed," which is "enshrined in the American national charter, the Declaration of Independence."

The ICC's authority, the bill notes, circumvents U.S. constitutional "principles of separation of powers, federalism and trial by jury that are guaranteed" to Americans.

The ICC "by design and effect, is an illegitimate court," the bill states.

Paul thinks the world court could be used as a tool against the global interests of the U.S.

"The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes," he said. "Far from being neutral, the court will serve as a weapon against disfavored nations and leaders. Given the anti-American sentiment that pervades the U.N., we can only assume that the court will be used one day to prosecute Americans who offend our many enemies among U.N. member states."

As WND reported, the world court was officially instituted yesterday at the U.N.'s New York City headquarters. According to its charter, the ICC is a permanent tribunal established ostensibly to prosecute "crimes against humanity." Clinton signed the treaty on his last day in office, Jan. 20, 2001, but it has never been ratified by the Senate. But as late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of the former president.

Deist confirmed that Bush has talked of finding a way to withdraw Clinton's signature, but he said talk in Washington is sometimes cheap.

"The ICC cannot exercise legitimate jurisdiction over American citizens," Paul said. "Furthermore, the Senate cannot constitutionally ratify any treaty that attempts to surrender the judicial function to an international agency. Our Constitution guarantees every American citizen various rights before, during and after a criminal arrest and trial, and no valid treaty can deny our citizens those rights."

Deist told WND that the bill is similar to legislation introduced in the House and Senate last summer, but that the Texas lawmaker's bill "is more zesty."

He also said the measure had garnered at least 15 co-sponsors by midday yesterday but it is so new that it has yet to be assigned a number.


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To: Spar
"Like I said in my evaluation"

And your credentials in making "evaluations" are?
Your "evaluation" of me has had maybe 2 others agreeing with you.
One of which is someone who can't remember where he trained Special Forces for Bosnia.
Nice "crowd" you hang with on numerous threads.
DISMISSED!
161 posted on 04/12/2002 8:48:45 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: SKS Snajperi
USMC, 2MarDiv, -----BN, 1st Plt, Hvy Section Leader. Red Two

Sounds like HorseHillary to me. BTW,Marines are NOT "Special Forces". You would think that somebody who claimed to have been a Marine would know that.

162 posted on 04/12/2002 8:56:20 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; SKS Snajperi
Then if we suppport the Bill of Rights in the US but do not support them in other countries that would makes us what? It's a word that starts with the letter "H".

I await your answers on my little quizes. I want to know exactly how good a patriot and how knowledgeable you are on our history.

Reading books does not count.

It shows in your case.

By the way Tonkin, I fight terror by being living free and making it possible through political action that others live free of terror, like the Serbs who have live under the terror of Al-Qaeda allies the Bosnian Muslims and Albanians for a decade.

Accuracy In Media is as right wing and anti-commie as you can get. AIM published this report BIN LADEN GATE. Since the US was allied to the Bosnians and Albanians, and the Bosnians and Albanians were allied with al-Qaeda, what steps do you think we should take to punish Americans who supported this policy? How do we correct it? What has Bush done to distance himself from Clinton's policies in that region which even you in your ramblings admit was a wrong policy?

163 posted on 04/12/2002 9:05:18 PM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
I'm sure Bill Clinton knows the answers to your questions. Does that make him a patriot?
165 posted on 04/12/2002 9:10:28 PM PDT by oldvike
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To: Spar
"By the way Tonkin, I fight terror by being living free and making it possible through political action that others live free of terror, like the Serbs who have live under the terror of Al-Qaeda allies the Bosnian Muslims and Albanians for a decade."

Meaning you never actually have gone out and defended America in Real Life.
Or maybe I'm wrong on that.
Name at least 5 FReepers that you have met in Real Life.
Name the FReep and what is was about.
166 posted on 04/12/2002 9:10:38 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
bump!
167 posted on 04/12/2002 9:10:55 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Spar
"I want to know exactly how good a patriot and how knowledgeable you are on our history."

Why read about history when one can actually be part of history.
Ask anyone who has ever served.
You really need to get away from the computer and out in the real world.
168 posted on 04/12/2002 9:13:02 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: oldvike
Dude, Im being as silly as Tonkin is. I can dumb down my points for the public just like the next guy.
169 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:09 PM PDT by Spar
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To: oldvike;Spar
"I'm sure Bill Clinton knows the answers to your questions. Does that make him a patriot?"

LOL!!!
170 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:54 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: PoppingSmoke
What can he do to get legislation passed?
171 posted on 04/12/2002 9:18:03 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Fine, lets you and I go to Kosovo and fight al-Qaeda. What do you say?
172 posted on 04/12/2002 9:18:40 PM PDT by Spar
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
see #169.
173 posted on 04/12/2002 9:20:52 PM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
So if you understand that no treaty with this "court" exists without 2/3 US Senate ratification,
why do you spend so much time worrying about a memeber of the Communist party?
Is "open borders" your real agenda?
174 posted on 04/12/2002 9:22:40 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Nitro
And a well done to you too!! And god bless our US Navy and all those that serve and did serve.

Glad to have made your aquaintance, even if you're a squid, ;) LOL
175 posted on 04/12/2002 9:27:26 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Spar
"Fine, lets you and I go to Kosovo and fight al-Qaeda. What do you say?"

The afternoon of 9/11 I was on the phone with the Navy (trying to re-enlist) AND the Oregon National Guard trying to enlist.
Neither would take me because I am 53.
On Oct 3 2001 I did the next best thing I could do.
I joined the Coast Guard Auxiliary.
Now I stand radio watches (still in training, same course as regular CG do) on the Coast Guard base
and once a week and once I week I go on boat patrols on an Auxiliary boat.
Total Coast Guard personnel for over 96,000 miles of US waterways is only 36,000 people.
What I do and other Auxiliary memebres do is free regular Coast Guard up for law enforcement, boarding ships etc.
So I've already made a committment to help America this time around.
Looks like you'll have to enlist and go there with people your own age.

PS I don't get paid anything and have to buy my own uniforms etc.
Once you enlist Uncle Sam will pay you and supply you with food, housing and uniforms.
176 posted on 04/12/2002 9:33:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
It's true, and you are absolutely correct Tonkin, but according to the UN, as soon as they got thier 60, even if we told them no, they have "jurisdiction" and can do whatever they want.

When I will no longer worry is when we send in SF to get out a US citizen who has been arrested by the UN for war crimes and will be tried in front of that kangaroo court. When we go in and pull that person out, and kill EVERYONE in the way, then I will say, "let them stew, I ain't worried."

There are some of us who care about the constitution and the bill of rights, problem is, that bar a few, the government of the United States and the UN don't.
177 posted on 04/12/2002 9:33:45 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Spar
Here are some other options for you to consider.

How YOU can assist/support HOMELAND DEFENSE
17yrs old and up, no upper age limit. Something for everyone to do


178 posted on 04/12/2002 9:36:20 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Aric2000; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
And that's why I defend Milosevic. Any balck eye to the credibility of the UN Kangaroo court is a victory to freedom. Tonkin, you really are not all there, I just posted a story on how we should place land mines at our borders. Where Tonkin come up with that I wanted open borders is beyond me.
179 posted on 04/12/2002 9:39:43 PM PDT by Spar
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To: Aric2000
"but according to the UN, as soon as they got thier 60, even if we told them no, they have "jurisdiction" and can do whatever they want."

The UN, without US money, is even more worthless than it is now.
I just don't see politicians, during an election year "going along" with some UN "demand"
Not even the Dims are that dumb during election time.
Besides most US politicians won't back this because it would apply directly to themselves.
180 posted on 04/12/2002 9:41:13 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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