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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

A Texas lawmaker has drafted a bill that would ban the United States from participating in the newly formed International Criminal Court.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is set to introduce "The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002," which he said "repudiates ICC jurisdiction over American citizens." The bill essentially provides that "the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States," said a draft copy obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Paul said his bill seeks to protect "American citizens against the ICC by urging President Bush to rescind the foolish Clinton administration signature of the ICC treaty." It would also ban "the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the court, and deems ICC actions against U.S. servicemen acts of aggression against America," said a statement issued by Paul's office.

"The ICC is completely illegitimate, even under the U.N.’s own charter," Paul said.

"We characterize this legislation as a counteroffensive at this point," Jeff Deist, a spokesman for Paul, told WorldNetDaily. "Congressman Paul has many findings in the bill that lays out the case against the legitimacy and authority of the (ICC)."

Among them, said the Texas lawmaker, is the fact that the world body's "charter gives neither the U.N. General Assembly nor any other U.N. agency lawmaking authority."

"In other words," he continued, "there cannot be U.N. 'laws,' and there is no valid law authorizing the establishment of the ICC. The ratification of the ICC treaty, whether by 60 nations or 1,000, does nothing to give the court any legal authority whatsoever."

The bill notes that that under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."

"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms, the bill says.

It notes that the ICC is "wholly unauthorized by the Charter of the United Nations." And, it says the ICC statute "also contravenes the principle of government only by the consent of the governed," which is "enshrined in the American national charter, the Declaration of Independence."

The ICC's authority, the bill notes, circumvents U.S. constitutional "principles of separation of powers, federalism and trial by jury that are guaranteed" to Americans.

The ICC "by design and effect, is an illegitimate court," the bill states.

Paul thinks the world court could be used as a tool against the global interests of the U.S.

"The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes," he said. "Far from being neutral, the court will serve as a weapon against disfavored nations and leaders. Given the anti-American sentiment that pervades the U.N., we can only assume that the court will be used one day to prosecute Americans who offend our many enemies among U.N. member states."

As WND reported, the world court was officially instituted yesterday at the U.N.'s New York City headquarters. According to its charter, the ICC is a permanent tribunal established ostensibly to prosecute "crimes against humanity." Clinton signed the treaty on his last day in office, Jan. 20, 2001, but it has never been ratified by the Senate. But as late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of the former president.

Deist confirmed that Bush has talked of finding a way to withdraw Clinton's signature, but he said talk in Washington is sometimes cheap.

"The ICC cannot exercise legitimate jurisdiction over American citizens," Paul said. "Furthermore, the Senate cannot constitutionally ratify any treaty that attempts to surrender the judicial function to an international agency. Our Constitution guarantees every American citizen various rights before, during and after a criminal arrest and trial, and no valid treaty can deny our citizens those rights."

Deist told WND that the bill is similar to legislation introduced in the House and Senate last summer, but that the Texas lawmaker's bill "is more zesty."

He also said the measure had garnered at least 15 co-sponsors by midday yesterday but it is so new that it has yet to be assigned a number.


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KEYWORDS: ronpaullist; sovereigntylist; unlist; worldcourt
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To: Spar
Why do you keep linking to pics from the year 2000?
Where are your pics of "proof" about the military since Jan 2001?
BIG HINT: klintoon is no longer President.
81 posted on 04/12/2002 1:10:47 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar
Your still the only commie defender on this thread.
82 posted on 04/12/2002 1:12:59 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar
Your still the only commie defender on this thread.
83 posted on 04/12/2002 1:13:01 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Aric2000
I can get behind Ron as #1, but don't forget FDR!!

He got us into a war we had to fight and Harry S. nuked us out of it!!

I would submit Ron is at least in the top #3 American Presidents!!

It wasn't yet America while the original 1$ George Washington served!!

84 posted on 04/12/2002 1:18:01 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Spar
Please give us your usual
President Bush is wrong and how you know more about foreign policy (post 9/11) than he does.

Q) Why do you think he let a commie be tried by commie judges?
A) To have one less commie to worry about.
85 posted on 04/12/2002 1:25:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
All I see is a search, what is the crime?

Did you forget that a Serb started WWI and WWII...

I don't have a problem with stopping WWIII!!

The only problem is WWIII started in 1989 and we just don't know it yet!!

Gulf, remember what I say!!

86 posted on 04/12/2002 1:31:53 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Great another bill that will go no where. Just like the Servicemembers Protection Act of 2001. That one was to protect US Service Members from the World Court. Where is that one? Ask Senator Biden, Leahy and Kerry! They are holding it up. Hell we got guy's and gal's all over the place and they are not protected from the same morons at the UN that would love to see a US Soldier, Sailor, or Airman hung.

When are people really going to get mad and start pounding their congressional reps on these issues??

87 posted on 04/12/2002 1:32:53 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Link to Radio Free Europe thread on the ICC and US opposition.

88 posted on 04/12/2002 1:34:01 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Ff--150
535? Considering Paul's decidedly anti-federalist position, I think I'd have to agree ;o)
89 posted on 04/12/2002 1:35:03 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: PoppingSmoke
Rush was discussing that today.
90 posted on 04/12/2002 1:37:46 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Nitro
All I see is a search, what is the crime? Did you forget that a Serb started WWI and WWII... I don't have a problem with stopping WWIII!! The only problem is WWIII started in 1989 and we just don't know it yet!!--
Spar, can you believe this joker? He thinks that a Serb began both wars! yeesh.
91 posted on 04/12/2002 1:38:31 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: Spar
patriot, but he is going about it the wrong way.
i was like him once, til I woke up when I was in the Balkans and saw it first hand the duplicity and lies that does not get revealed to the public.
92 posted on 04/12/2002 1:39:45 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: Aric2000
Hoo-Rah!!

Remember one thing, the Lord loves a cheerful giver!!

Under the CINC Ron Reagan all the services gave a full effort and then they gave a little more!!

I am so proud of being a Reagan sailor, I'll even give a big BZ to a ground-pounder!!

By the way, BZ is Navy brevity-code for "well done!!"

93 posted on 04/12/2002 1:41:55 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Spar;SKS Snajperi,FireWall
Maybe when "I trained Special forces for Bosnia, but can't remember when or where" SKS Snajperi
gets back from his bike ride he'll help you defend your commie friend.
So far you are the only one who is worried about a commie on this thread.
FireWall won't come help you, I already pinged him.
94 posted on 04/12/2002 1:43:22 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Hope W keeps his promise :)???????
Israel's leaders are in the crosshairs---not Ara-Rat :(
95 posted on 04/12/2002 1:44:54 PM PDT by Ff--150
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To: SKS Snajperi
Did you remember where, when and which Special Forces units you trained for Bosnia yet?
96 posted on 04/12/2002 1:45:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Aric2000
I left out one thing...

God Bless the United States Army and all who serve in her!!

97 posted on 04/12/2002 1:46:08 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: SKS Snajperi; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I see you're here on a weekend pass!

You stepped into proud US Navy territory...

if you want to go around-and-round with me...

you better pack a lunch!!

98 posted on 04/12/2002 1:58:27 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro;SKS Snajperi
SKS Snajperi forgot to mention he got banned last month under his FReeper handle HoChiMinh.
He's kind of busy now remembering when, where and which Special Forces he trained for Bosnia.
He loves to bash our military and vets, yet he trains them. LOL
99 posted on 04/12/2002 2:02:17 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Nitro;SKS Snajperi;davidosborne
See post 59
SKS Snajperi also believes davidosborne never served in Bosnia.
100 posted on 04/12/2002 2:04:37 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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