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High School Junior Asked To Leave School After She Refuses To Sing Jesus Christ Superstar Songs
WABC, Ch 7 NY ^ | June 19, 2002 | AP

Posted on 06/20/2002 11:08:28 AM PDT by southern rock

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To: southern rock
There is nothing wrong with "Jesus Christ Superstar". I reminds of the days where Broadway and the arts would be open to works done around Christianity and religion. Nowadays we get "The Vagina Monologues".
41 posted on 06/20/2002 11:42:34 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: southern rock
I would like to think that if a parent sends their child to a Catholic school, they might, quite reasonably, not expect "Jesus Christ, Superstar" to be taught as doctrine.

It doesn't say it was taught as doctrine. It says they sang it at a concert. When I went to school, I could tell the difference between religion class and extra-carricular activities.

I think some people just itch for a fight. (Talking about her and her parents, not you.)

I went to a Catholic school. And they knew I wasn't Catholic and I knew they were. I had to study to be confirmed (although I did not have to attend confirmation). I had to go to Mass (although I did not have to take communion). I had to go to the church when the class went to confession (although I did not have to enter the confessional). And if I ever complained at home my dad would wear me out. That was the school's policy and I was to toe the line and not complain.

Shalom.

42 posted on 06/20/2002 11:44:37 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Paul Atreides
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not a rock star.

He's not portrayed as a rock star. There's one song in which he's referred to (by people questioning him) as a "superstar", but he's not portrayed that way. It's actually a relatively thoughtful portrayal.

It is disrespectful.

That's what I thought. Then I watched it. There's nothing blasphemous or disrespectful about it, in context. Obviously Herod's song is disrespectful. So are Herod's words, as quoted in the gospel. It's an interpretation of the Gospel. You may not like the music, you may not care for the interpretation, you may not like the staging. That's fine. But the show itself is not inherently blasphemous or disrespectful.

(Obviously, the above is my opinion. I speak for myself, not for anyone else. If you want to tell me that that's my opinion only, don't bother - I already know that.)

43 posted on 06/20/2002 11:44:51 AM PDT by Lyford
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To: southern rock; OrthodoxPresbyterian
But Gaffey, a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square, said the medley was offensive.

Bump. I don't know what the medley is, but the entire musical/"opera" is offensive to any real Christian.

It sounds to me like 98 per cent of the students are not Christians--which certainly would explain the "almost three years of conflict with the family who 'did not accept the school's notion of Christianity.'"

44 posted on 06/20/2002 11:46:36 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"There was a piece in there by Mary Magdalene saying she was in love with Jesus ["I Don't Know How to Love Him”] and I knew I wasn't going to sing that song.

One of the most beautiful and passionate songs I've ever heard, quite frankly. In my opinion, it's when Mary Magdalene realizes JC is MORE than just another Joe---that's why she doesn't know how to love him. He's unlike any other man she's ever known. Good Lord, this poor girl and her family are dimwits of the highest order. Here are the lyrics:

I don't know how to love him
What to do, how to move him
I've been changed, yes really changed
In these past few days
When I've seen myself
I seem like someone else

I don't know how to take this
I don't see why he moves me
He's a man
He's just a man
And I've had so many
Men before
In very many ways
He's just one more

Should I bring him down
Should I scream and shout
Should I speak of love
Let my feelings out?
I never thought I'd come to this
What's it all about?

Don't you think it's rather funny
I should be in this position?
I'm the one
Who's always been
So calm so cool
No lover's fool
Running every show
He scares me so

I never thought I'd come to this
What's it all about?

Yet
If he said he loved me
I'd be lost
I'd be frightened
I couldn't cope
Just couldn't cope
I'd turn my head
I'd back away
I wouldn't want to know
He scares me so
I want him so
I love him so


45 posted on 06/20/2002 11:47:21 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: southern rock
It's a private school, they can do what they want.
46 posted on 06/20/2002 11:47:45 AM PDT by moyden
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
While some Christian groups still object to the show, the Vatican endorsed the musical in 1999 for the first time, abandoning its criticism that Jesus was demeaned and portrayed as too human.

How could you portray Jesus as too human? Jesus was and is fully human just as He was and is fully divine. Reduce either of those from their fullness and you have shown Him great disrespect.

Shalom.

47 posted on 06/20/2002 11:47:46 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: nicks bad seed
Funny. A few weeks ago people were defending a private school for kicking a girl out because her mom violated some school rule. (stripper case)
Now, some of these same people are being critical of another private school for kicking out a kid because of what appears to be the kid's own actions.
Can someone please explain the difference here?

I see nothing but total consistancy in both situations. In neither case did anyone on FR say that a private school doesn't have the right to set it's own rules and standards, and to expel anyone they want for any reason.

The fact that one school was in the right, and the other appears to be in the wrong, in some people's opinion, is the only matter for discussion here.

48 posted on 06/20/2002 11:48:41 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: Paul Atreides
I am not Catholic, so the Vatican's endorsement doesn't sway me. However, if the minister at the church which I attend was to endorse it, I would be very vocal in my disagreement. What's next? The Bible set to rap music? Country music?

If we're not careful, they might even translate it into some foreign tongue, like Hebrew!!!

Truth is truth. What does the format matter?

Shalom.

49 posted on 06/20/2002 11:50:21 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
"It displays Judas as a constant thorn in Jesus' side rather than a traitor."

It displays Judas as fulfilling a prophecy. In JCSS, Judas doesn't catch on until after the fact when he sings "I've been used!"

"It displays Jesus as a frustrated man who can't seem to get his message across. It displays the apostles as coming along for a power trip. It hints at hidden desires between Jesus and Mary of Magdala. It demonstrates Jesus as very uncompassionate in at least one scene."

So does the New Testament. What's your point?

50 posted on 06/20/2002 11:51:17 AM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: stanz
It's been a long time since I've heard the whole "Superstar" soundtrack. Does it end with the Resurrection? If there is no Resurrection, it's definitely an incomplete story of the life of Christ.
51 posted on 06/20/2002 11:52:34 AM PDT by bootless
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To: ArGee
It hints at hidden desires between Jesus and Mary of Magdala.

Where? To the contrary, I don't think there's even a hint of anything like that on Jesus' part, and Mary's song is "I don't know how to love him" because she doesn't know how to love a man outside a sexual relationship. I mostly know the (IMO fabulous) movie version, but there's nothing at all inappropriate in the Jesus/Mary Magdalene relationship as portrayed.

52 posted on 06/20/2002 11:52:35 AM PDT by Lyford
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To: moyden
It's a private school, they can do what they want.

Yes. I have said that about a half dozen times. I'm don't dispute that, and it's not why I posted the article.

53 posted on 06/20/2002 11:52:36 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: Lyford
Obviously Herod's song is disrespectful.

So, if you are the Chris, yes, the great Jesus Christ
Proove to me that you're no fool
Walk across my swimming pool.

That still cracks me up.

Did you know that in the latest incarnation (I think from Broadway) Herod is played by Alice Cooper? Puts a totally different spin on the song. Otherwise the CD is teriffic.

Shalom.

54 posted on 06/20/2002 11:53:00 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: the_doc
Bump. I don't know what the medley is, but the entire musical/"opera" is offensive to any real Christian.

Careful where you point those fingers there, Bubba. I'll put my "real Christian" credentials up against any.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Shalom.

55 posted on 06/20/2002 11:54:59 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: the_doc
I don't know what the medley is, but the entire musical/"opera" is offensive to any real Christian.

In your opinion. There are other "real" Christians that find it to be an interesting and entertaining portrayal of the Gospel story...

56 posted on 06/20/2002 11:55:35 AM PDT by Lyford
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
One of the most beautiful and passionate songs I've ever heard, quite frankly. In my opinion, it's when Mary Magdalene realizes JC is MORE than just another Joe---that's why she doesn't know how to love him.

And she is a prostitue who is changed by meeting Jesus. She can't relate to men in the same old way anymore. And she fears G-d now that she knows him.

Yep, real disrespectful that music.

Shalom.

57 posted on 06/20/2002 11:56:47 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Remind me never to invite you over to my house.
You come to my house, you tolerate me. If you don't like me, you may leave, but don't ask me to change.
If you are a good friend, then you may point out my flaws, but not until you've earned that right.
Shalom.

Sorry, that just won't work.
The school didn't just invite that kid in for free.
They (the parents) were sold a product.
A different product was delivered.

Kind like writting a check for a BMW and having the salesman pull up with a KIA for you to take home.

The parents should'a done a little more looking at the school.
I suspect that they would have discovered that they were buying a KIA and not a BMW.
If it's not to their liking they should've gone elsewhere.

58 posted on 06/20/2002 11:58:13 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Paul Atreides
What's next? The Bible set to rap music? Country music?

YES! Let's drown all those who sing "gospel" music in the river right quick! Music BAD! Pruuuuuuaiiiiissee Jesus!

59 posted on 06/20/2002 11:58:52 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: southern rock
I think there is more to this story than what is being told here. Based on comments I've read and heard over the last two days, it seems this was the final straw in a long list of things that got this girl kicked out of school.
60 posted on 06/20/2002 11:59:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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