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Dinosaur Shocker (YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields

Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Dinosaur Shocker

By Helen Fields

Neatly dressed in blue Capri pants and a sleeveless top, long hair flowing over her bare shoulders, Mary Schweitzer sits at a microscope in a dim lab, her face lit only by a glowing computer screen showing a network of thin, branching vessels. That’s right, blood vessels. From a dinosaur. “Ho-ho-ho, I am excite-e-e-e-d,” she chuckles. “I am, like, really excited.”

After 68 million years in the ground, a Tyrannosaurus rex found in Montana was dug up, its leg bone was broken in pieces, and fragments were dissolved in acid in Schweitzer’s laboratory at North Carolina State University in Raleigh. “Cool beans,” she says, looking at the image on the screen.

It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone—the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive. After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils. Schweitzer, one of the first scientists to use the tools of modern cell biology to study dinosaurs, has upended the conventional wisdom by showing that some rock-hard fossils tens of millions of years old may have remnants of soft tissues hidden away in their interiors. “The reason it hasn’t been discovered before is no right-thinking paleontologist would do what Mary did with her specimens. We don’t go to all this effort to dig this stuff out of the ground to then destroy it in acid,” says dinosaur paleontologist Thomas Holtz Jr., of the University of Maryland. “It’s great science.” The observations could shed new light on how dinosaurs evolved and how their muscles and blood vessels worked. And the new findings might help settle a long-running debate about whether dinosaurs were warmblooded, coldblooded—or both.

Meanwhile, Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists, who insist that dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years. They claim her discoveries support their belief, based on their interpretation of Genesis, that the earth is only a few thousand years old. Of course, it’s not unusual for a paleontologist to differ with creationists. But when creationists misrepresent Schweitzer’s data, she takes it personally: she describes herself as “a complete and total Christian.” On a shelf in her office is a plaque bearing an Old Testament verse: “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”

It may be that Schweitzer’s unorthodox approach to paleontology can be traced to her roundabout career path. Growing up in Helena, Montana, she went through a phase when, like many kids, she was fascinated by dinosaurs. In fact, at age 5 she announced she was going to be a paleontologist. But first she got a college degree in communicative disorders, married, had three children and briefly taught remedial biology to high schoolers. In 1989, a dozen years after she graduated from college, she sat in on a class at Montana State University taught by paleontologist Jack Horner, of the Museum of the Rockies, now an affiliate of the Smithsonian Institution. The lectures reignited her passion for dinosaurs. Soon after, she talked her way into a volunteer position in Horner’s lab and began to pursue a doctorate in paleontology.

She initially thought she would study how the microscopic structure of dinosaur bones differs depending on how much the animal weighs. But then came the incident with the red spots.

AdvertisementIn 1991, Schweitzer was trying to study thin slices of bones from a 65-million-year-old T. rex. She was having a hard time getting the slices to stick to a glass slide, so she sought help from a molecular biologist at the university. The biologist, Gayle Callis, happened to take the slides to a veterinary conference, where she set up the ancient samples for others to look at. One of the vets went up to Callis and said, “Do you know you have red blood cells in that bone?” Sure enough, under a microscope, it appeared that the bone was filled with red disks. Later, Schweitzer recalls, “I looked at this and I looked at this and I thought, this can’t be. Red blood cells don’t preserve.”

Schweitzer showed the slide to Horner. “When she first found the red-blood-cell-looking structures, I said, Yep, that’s what they look like,” her mentor recalls. He thought it was possible they were red blood cells, but he gave her some advice: “Now see if you can find some evidence to show that that’s not what they are.”

What she found instead was evidence of heme in the bones—additional support for the idea that they were red blood cells. Heme is a part of hemoglobin, the protein that carries oxygen in the blood and gives red blood cells their color. “It got me real curious as to exceptional preservation,” she says. If particles of that one dinosaur were able to hang around for 65 million years, maybe the textbooks were wrong about fossilization.

Schweitzer tends to be self-deprecating, claiming to be hopeless at computers, lab work and talking to strangers. But colleagues admire her, saying she’s determined and hard-working and has mastered a number of complex laboratory techniques that are beyond the skills of most paleontologists. And asking unusual questions took a lot of nerve. “If you point her in a direction and say, don’t go that way, she’s the kind of person who’ll say, Why?—and she goes and tests it herself,” says Gregory Erickson, a paleobiologist at Florida State University. Schweitzer takes risks, says Karen Chin, a University of Colorado paleontologist. “It could be a big payoff or it could just be kind of a ho-hum research project.”

In 2000, Bob Harmon, a field crew chief from the Museum of the Rockies, was eating his lunch in a remote Montana canyon when he looked up and saw a bone sticking out of a rock wall. That bone turned out to be part of what may be the best preserved T. rex in the world. Over the next three summers, workers chipped away at the dinosaur, gradually removing it from the cliff face. They called it B. rex in Harmon’s honor and nicknamed it Bob. In 2001, they encased a section of the dinosaur and the surrounding dirt in plaster to protect it. The package weighed more than 2,000 pounds, which turned out to be just above their helicopter’s capacity, so they split it in half. One of B. rex’s leg bones was broken into two big pieces and several fragments—just what Schweitzer needed for her micro-scale explorations.

It turned out Bob had been misnamed. “It’s a girl and she’s pregnant,” Schweitzer recalls telling her lab technician when she looked at the fragments. On the hollow inside surface of the femur, Schweitzer had found scraps of bone that gave a surprising amount of information about the dinosaur that made them. Bones may seem as steady as stone, but they’re actually constantly in flux. Pregnant women use calcium from their bones to build the skeleton of a developing fetus. Before female birds start to lay eggs, they form a calcium-rich structure called medullary bone on the inside of their leg and other bones; they draw on it during the breeding season to make eggshells. Schweitzer had studied birds, so she knew about medullary bone, and that’s what she figured she was seeing in that T. rex specimen.

Most paleontologists now agree that birds are the dinosaurs’ closest living relatives. In fact, they say that birds are dinosaurs—colorful, incredibly diverse, cute little feathered dinosaurs. The theropod of the Jurassic forests lives on in the goldfinch visiting the backyard feeder, the toucans of the tropics and the ostriches loping across the African savanna.

To understand her dinosaur bone, Schweitzer turned to two of the most primitive living birds: ostriches and emus. In the summer of 2004, she asked several ostrich breeders for female bones. A farmer called, months later. “Y’all still need that lady ostrich?” The dead bird had been in the farmer’s backhoe bucket for several days in the North Carolina heat. Schweitzer and two colleagues collected a leg from the fragrant carcass and drove it back to Raleigh.

AdvertisementAs far as anyone can tell, Schweitzer was right: Bob the dinosaur really did have a store of medullary bone when she died. A paper published in Science last June presents microscope pictures of medullary bone from ostrich and emu side by side with dinosaur bone, showing near-identical features.

In the course of testing a B. rex bone fragment further, Schweitzer asked her lab technician, Jennifer Wittmeyer, to put it in weak acid, which slowly dissolves bone, including fossilized bone—but not soft tissues. One Friday night in January 2004, Wittmeyer was in the lab as usual. She took out a fossil chip that had been in the acid for three days and put it under the microscope to take a picture. “[The chip] was curved so much, I couldn’t get it in focus,” Wittmeyer recalls. She used forceps to flatten it. “My forceps kind of sunk into it, made a little indentation and it curled back up. I was like, stop it!” Finally, through her irritation, she realized what she had: a fragment of dinosaur soft tissue left behind when the mineral bone around it had dissolved. Suddenly Schweitzer and Wittmeyer were dealing with something no one else had ever seen. For a couple of weeks, Wittmeyer said, it was like Christmas every day.

In the lab, Wittmeyer now takes out a dish with six compartments, each holding a little brown dab of tissue in clear liquid, and puts it under the microscope lens. Inside each specimen is a fine network of almost-clear branching vessels—the tissue of a female Tyrannosaurus rex that strode through the forests 68 million years ago, preparing to lay eggs. Close up, the blood vessels from that T. rex and her ostrich cousins look remarkably alike. Inside the dinosaur vessels are things Schweitzer diplomatically calls “round microstructures” in the journal article, out of an abundance of scientific caution, but they are red and round, and she and other scientists suspect that they are red blood cells.

Of course, what everyone wants to know is whether DNA might be lurking in that tissue. Wittmeyer, from much experience with the press since the discovery, calls this “the awful question”—whether Schweitzer’s work is paving the road to a real-life version of science fiction’s Jurassic Park, where dinosaurs were regenerated from DNA preserved in amber. But DNA, which carries the genetic script for an animal, is a very fragile molecule. It’s also ridiculously hard to study because it is so easily contaminated with modern biological material, such as microbes or skin cells, while buried or after being dug up. Instead, Schweitzer has been testing her dinosaur tissue samples for proteins, which are a bit hardier and more readily distinguished from contaminants. Specifically, she’s been looking for collagen, elastin and hemoglobin. Collagen makes up much of the bone scaffolding, elastin is wrapped around blood vessels and hemoglobin carries oxygen inside red blood cells.

Because the chemical makeup of proteins changes through evolution, scientists can study protein sequences to learn more about how dinosaurs evolved. And because proteins do all the work in the body, studying them could someday help scientists understand dinosaur physiology—how their muscles and blood vessels worked, for example.

Proteins are much too tiny to pick out with a microscope. To look for them, Schweitzer uses antibodies, immune system molecules that recognize and bind to specific sections of proteins. Schweitzer and Wittmeyer have been using antibodies to chicken collagen, cow elastin and ostrich hemoglobin to search for similar molecules in the dinosaur tissue. At an October 2005 paleontology conference, Schweitzer presented preliminary evidence that she has detected real dinosaur proteins in her specimens.

Further discoveries in the past year have shown that the discovery of soft tissue in B. rex wasn’t just a fluke. Schweitzer and Wittmeyer have now found probable blood vessels, bone-building cells and connective tissue in another T. rex, in a theropod from Argentina and in a 300,000-year-old woolly mammoth fossil. Schweitzer’s work is “showing us we really don’t understand decay,” Holtz says. “There’s a lot of really basic stuff in nature that people just make assumptions about.”

young-earth creationists also see Schweitzer’s work as revolutionary, but in an entirely different way. They first seized upon Schweitzer’s work after she wrote an article for the popular science magazine Earth in 1997 about possible red blood cells in her dinosaur specimens. Creation magazine claimed that Schweitzer’s research was “powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. It speaks volumes for the Bible’s account of a recent creation.”

This drives Schweitzer crazy. Geologists have established that the Hell Creek Formation, where B. rex was found, is 68 million years old, and so are the bones buried in it. She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data. “They treat you really bad,” she says. “They twist your words and they manipulate your data.” For her, science and religion represent two different ways of looking at the world; invoking the hand of God to explain natural phenomena breaks the rules of science. After all, she says, what God asks is faith, not evidence. “If you have all this evidence and proof positive that God exists, you don’t need faith. I think he kind of designed it so that we’d never be able to prove his existence. And I think that’s really cool.”

By definition, there is a lot that scientists don’t know, because the whole point of science is to explore the unknown. By being clear that scientists haven’t explained everything, Schweitzer leaves room for other explanations. “I think that we’re always wise to leave certain doors open,” she says.

But schweitzer’s interest in the long-term preservation of molecules and cells does have an otherworldly dimension: she’s collaborating with NASA scientists on the search for evidence of possible past life on Mars, Saturn’s moon Titan, and other heavenly bodies. (Scientists announced this spring, for instance, that Saturn’s tiny moon Enceladus appears to have liquid water, a probable precondition for life.)

Astrobiology is one of the wackier branches of biology, dealing in life that might or might not exist and might or might not take any recognizable form. “For almost everybody who works on NASA stuff, they are just in hog heaven, working on astrobiology questions,” Schweitzer says. Her NASA research involves using antibodies to probe for signs of life in unexpected places. “For me, it’s the means to an end. I really want to know about my dinosaurs.”

AdvertisementTo that purpose, Schweitzer, with Wittmeyer, spends hours in front of microscopes in dark rooms. To a fourth-generation Montanan, even the relatively laid-back Raleigh area is a big city. She reminisces wistfully about scouting for field sites on horseback in Montana. “Paleontology by microscope is not that fun,” she says. “I’d much rather be out tromping around.”

“My eyeballs are just absolutely fried,” Schweitzer says after hours of gazing through the microscope’s eyepieces at glowing vessels and blobs. You could call it the price she pays for not being typical.


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; maryschweitzer; paleontology; shocker
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To: King Prout

"A molecular biologist, a geneticist, and an organic chemist..."

...are at a bar discussing a sample of DNA...


Sorry, sounded like the buildup to a good joke. (well A joke; not sure how good it would have been.) :)


1,021 posted on 05/03/2006 4:02:16 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Elsie

Darwin may have been an agnostic or even an atheist, but nothing in the theory of Natural Selection precludes a Creator.


1,022 posted on 05/03/2006 4:05:12 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: 2nsdammit

Aha! I think I figured it out! You made a totally unsupported statement, without any real purpose, called it a contention (rather than some other thesaurus-derived synonym), and it resulted in 100-odd posts!

Take two statements.

A is non-falsifiable.

Evidence contrary to A is being suppressed.

They clearly contradict each other. Both cannot be true. If A is non-falsifiable, there can be no contrary evidence. If there is contrary evidence, A is falsifiable.

Saying they are both contentions for the purpose of argument when they were stated back to back in the same very short paragraph is a lame attempt to backtrack to repair a mistake and save face.

1,023 posted on 05/03/2006 4:46:34 AM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: ml1954

"Saying they are both contentions for the purpose of argument when they were stated back to back in the same very short paragraph is a lame attempt to backtrack to repair a mistake and save face."

He acts as if *contention* is somehow different than *claim* or *statement* or *argument* in this context. Or that because an assertion doesn't need to have evidence to support it to be called an assertion that this means that any old assertion is as good as any other. It's really very postmodernist of him.


1,024 posted on 05/03/2006 4:56:14 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

He acts as if *contention* is somehow different than *claim* or *statement* or *argument* in this context. Or that because an assertion doesn't need to have evidence to support it to be called an assertion that this means that any old assertion is as good as any other. It's really very postmodernist of him.

I don't think a jury would buy it. If I was on trial for my life and had an attorney who defended like this, I'd appeal my inevitable conviction based on incompetent defense.

1,025 posted on 05/03/2006 5:01:09 AM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Almagest
Actually after the Tsunami some of the primitive tribes that were not known to exist and were discovered on small uncharted islands of Indonesia were existing quite well without time. They have no concept of time nor is there any reference to it in their language or habits. I haven't found much reference on the Internet but watched it on TV and the news. They are being observed. What one can find on the Internet are tribes that are studied in South America that are without the concept of numbers or math. It might appear that the concept of time and numbers are a concept of man that has not always existed and were thought for mans benefit or that if God did it he excluded some.
1,026 posted on 05/03/2006 5:12:15 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: ml1954

"One hundred pointless posts!" Placemarker


1,027 posted on 05/03/2006 5:13:37 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: Liberal Classic

I have to apologize to you.

I've been going back and forth with Carolina guitarman on another thread, and my frustration with him has spilled over onto you.

You (along with him) had asked questions of me in that Darwin thread, but you had NOT been abusive to me as I wrongly thought you had been.

You've every right to be upset with me.

Again I say I'm sorry.


1,028 posted on 05/03/2006 5:14:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: 2nsdammit
Oops, I was wrong.

See!

That's not so hard, is it? ;^)

1,029 posted on 05/03/2006 5:15:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ahayes
But it was fun. ;)
1,030 posted on 05/03/2006 5:16:56 AM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: 2nsdammit

Me: Are sure you don't need Jesus as your Savior?

You: Oops, I was wrong. You're a proselytizing troll.

I guess your answer is no??


1,031 posted on 05/03/2006 5:17:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Liberal Classic
 
Evolution is Not Anti-Religous. The hostility of creationists toward the sciences that deal with human and cosmic origins stems from fundamentalist conviction that evolution threatens religion. This is not true.
 
Yeah; sure.... Tell it to THIS guy......

Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,—and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,—that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,—that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,—that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;—by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."

( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )


Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."

( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )



NIV Proverbs 4:13
   Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:6
   But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:14
   We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
 

NIV Hebrews 6:11
   We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
 
 
NIV Hebrews 12:3
   Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
 

NIV 2 Timothy 2:11-13
 11.  Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;
 12.  if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
 13.  if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
 

NIV 2 Peter 2:20-21
 20.  If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
 21.  It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
 
 
 
NIV 2 John 1:8
  Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
 

NIV Jude 1:21
   Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
 

NIV Revelation 2:25
   Only hold on to what you have until I come.
 

NIV Revelation 3:11
   I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.


1,032 posted on 05/03/2006 5:19:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

"You (along with him) had asked questions of me in that Darwin thread, but you had NOT been abusive to me as I wrongly thought you had been."

I wasn't abusive. You just wouldn't provide an answer that didn't insult our intelligence.

Your position is now quite plain. :)


1,033 posted on 05/03/2006 5:25:16 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Elsie

"Yeah; sure.... Tell it to THIS guy......"

If you actually READ what Darwin was saying, you would know that he lost his faith not because of evolution but because the theology just didn't make sense to him anymore.


1,034 posted on 05/03/2006 5:27:31 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: js1138
Very few people have heard the voice of God telling them to be nice to their neighbors and even to their enemies.

Don't really need a VOICE when we've already got the WORD of God.



NIV Romans 12:16-18
 16.  Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.  Do not be conceited.
 17.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.
 18.  If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
 

NIV Ephesians 4:25
   Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body.
 

NIV Colossians 3:8-10
   8.  But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
   9.  Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
 10.  and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
 

NIV 2 Timothy 2:19
   Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
 

NIV 1 Peter 3:11
   He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
 

NIV 1 John 4:21
   And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

1,035 posted on 05/03/2006 5:30:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: AndrewC; All

Dar·win·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (därw-nzm)
n.
A theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory.



Darwin·ist n.
Darwin·istic adj.
Source:The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Absolutely and if such small differences did not occur all would be clones.


1,036 posted on 05/03/2006 5:32:22 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: blowfish
Jesus might make a fine Savior, but I'm certainly not going to use him as my science teacher...

You don't have to; but I do, however, recommend Him as Counselor!

;^)

1,037 posted on 05/03/2006 5:32:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ahayes
This may not in fact be correct.

Quite true; but STILL 'good enough for Gov't work!" ;^)

1,038 posted on 05/03/2006 5:34:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ml1954

Fill in the blank insult.

Be offended or not by putting your OWN thoughts in the asteriks (sp?)


1,039 posted on 05/03/2006 5:37:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: JCEccles; Conservative Texan Mom
You know how Stalin dealt with religious believers and other "nuts and troublemakers" don't you? He had them confined to psychiatric hospitals or shot. There isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that if the three branches of our government were controlled by people sympathetic to the ACLU, within ten years religious believers in this country would be rounded up like cattle and liquidated to "improve the species."

Ideas have consequences. Evil ideas have evil consequences. That's the lesson of the 20th Century, when social Darwinism and atheism controlled more than half the earth's population and genocide became all the rage.

Maybe they got tired of being rounded up, liquidated, and hung as witches so that others could protect their faith and belief.

1,040 posted on 05/03/2006 5:40:32 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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