The Dubrovnik and Bosnia-Hercegovina Deception

John P. Maher | January 11, 2009 | Professor John Peter Maher

[Bokababe]

"Statuta Valachorum

What the hell is that? Ustasha Wiki? You know neither I nor anyone else here can read that!

[Bokababe]

"To extend your logic, the high command of the RSK army are idiots too because they admitted that they cleansed themselves."

You and I both know that the Bosanci weren't exactly ever considered "the intellectuals" of the Serbs -- they were the hardworking farm people -- if all hardworking farm people lived in the US equivalent of the backwoods of Appalachia.

[Diocletian]

Statuta Valachorum:

Vienna April 16th 1717
Parchment, manuscript, Latin, 18 parchment leafs (the second leaf is illuminated: watercolours, gold colour, partly Indian ink, a coat of colour that was added at a later date)
39 x 31 cm

Manuscript book, bound: green velvet with green silk ribbons and a hanging small seal of Charles VI in wax, in a wooden box without a lid. The illuminated parchment leaf shows the scene of eleven men swearing allegiance to Charles VI. Above the throne is the Austrian coat of arms form the time of Charles VI, and to the left and right are three coats of arms on each side. They include the coats of arms of the Kingdom of Croatia and the Kingdom of Dalmatia.

By this document Charles VI Hapsburg had confirmed to the Vlach community that had settled in the Varazdin Military District the Statuta from 1630. By this act the military population of the Varazdin Military District enjoyed the privileges only on paper, because the provisions of the Statuta were never put into practice.

On the basis of the Records 'concerning the exchange of the items that took place in the offices of the Croatian History Museum, between the said Museum and Mr Zeljko Gorcey, a civil servant with his residence in Subiceva ulica 13 in Zagreb, on February 13th 1951... and on the basis of the agreement reached with the museum professional staff and the Ministry of Science and culture, Danica Svalba, head of the Museum, has agreed to give Mr Gorcey four miniature family portraits in exchange for five documents of the 'Vlach Privileges' from the 17th and 18th centuries.'

[Bokababe]

"Vienna April 16th 1717 Parchment, manuscript, Latin, 18 parchment leafs (the second leaf is illuminated: watercolours, gold colour, partly Indian ink, a coat of colour that was added at a later date) 39 x 31 cm"

Ding, ding, ding, Dio -- two different people and statutes. That says, "By this act the military population of the Varazdin Military District enjoyed the privileges only on paper, because the provisions of the Statuta were never put into practice."

The Empress Maria Theresa wasn't even born until 1717, so it is clearly not the same agreement! Sorry Dio, you just proved yourself wrong!

[Diocletian]

No Boka, check your facts again. The Vojna Krajina was set up long before Maria-Theresa and the Vlachs were brought in long before she was born. Learn your history.

[Bokababe]

"No Boka, check your facts again. The Vojna Krajina was set up long before Maria-Theresa and the Vlachs were brought in long before she was born. Learn your history."

You just don't give up, even when you've been proven wrong!

Your own sources says that the Statuta Valachorum (the agreement with the Vlachs) was "never put into practice." History says that an agreement between Maria Theresa with the Serbs WAS put into practice.

2+2=4 Dio. Perhaps it's math, along with history, that you are having a problem understanding.

[maher]

Is that Ante Chuvagovnara, behind the Emperor mask?

yours
Clown

Please: NO personal attacks

[maher]

Hopheavy and Dioxin.
Guilty - Not Guilty in the Queen’s Own ICTY are like verbal contracts, not worth the paper they are printed on.
“Not Guilty” Verdicts and little wrist-slaps are for mujahedin like Nasser Oric q.v.) who showed Canadian journalist Bill Shiller (q.v.) videotapes of Serbs impaled, beheaded near Srebrenica. And there’s Bosnian Muslim general General Rasim Delic (q.v.)who just got let off easy, whose Saudi buddies posed with the severed heads of Serbs at Teslic/ Bosnia. A Muslim (secular) officer in the Bosnian Serb Army at Banja Luka showed me the pics in 1994. NO PhotoShop then. No doctored print, either. The Muslim officer I’ve mentioned showed me the full roll of negative Kodacolor film found in the pocket of the Saudi mujahid who had left to collect his 70 virgins. Other frames on the film showed thehero at home in a place overleaking the blue sea, with his now orphaned little daughter, ca. 3 years old.

Another Hague verdict. In 2006 Slobodan Milosevic told us that CROatian General Gotovina is a fine cook; makes good pasta.

[maher]

The WW II CROs used to tell their Nazi dinner guests that Croats are really not Slavs, but Goths. And Slovenes are “alpski Hrvati” Alpine Croats. And Asterix was Tudjman’s great-grat grandfather.

BTW, read the Catholic Encyclopedia (it’s on line), in the article “Albania”. There you’ll find that Holy Mother Church writes about “the westernmost Serbs, who are called HROATS”...

[Hoplite]

Hopheavy and Dioxin.

I'll give you this: You don't waste any time in meeting expectations.

[Diocletian]

A complete and total clown. Why doesn’t he answer the question about the “30,000 Ustashe ready to invade Montenegro”?

[Diocletian]

Boka, your narrative is out of whack with that of the Serbs. The traditional Serb narrative is that the Serbs came 400+ years ago yet history shows that it was Vlachs, not Serbs.

You OTOH, are suggesting that they didn't arrive until Maria Theresa. Can you please show us the arrangement and straighten this matter out?

[Diocletian]

Genetic evidence shows that most Croatians are less than half-Slav, actually being the descendants of the autochonous people of the Balkans. The least slavic of all Croats are those from the Dinaric Alps, who range around 15-30% Slavic genes. The numbers for Slavic genes are highest in the north of Croatia.

The Ustashe got the Goth part wrong, similar to Serbs who claim how their ancient empire stretched all the way to the Volga.

[Hoplite]

Hey Dio.

Looks like “same old, same old” around here.

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

In the last war the Serbs cleansed themselves, as they themselves have admitted...

You're getting absent minded Dio. That is, you forgot to mention that General Gotovina is a hero.

[maher]

Genome stuff is interesting. What nation isn’t genetically a melting pot? Linguistic evidence needs to be sanely appraised, too. In the New World Africans speak English, French, Portuguese and Spanish ... Onomastically it’s plain that Croats with names like JOVANCIC in Slavonia are Croatized Serbs (Sokci). The name of the Serbian area above Sarajevo, Romanija, says plenty.The Hungarian name Kovacs ~ Kovats ‘Smith’ is unmistakabnly Slavic, whether Slovak or Serb. CeauceSCU (-ski), too. Romantics, to be kind, in all tribes, believe in nonsense. Venetians and Slovenes wannabe the descendants of the VENETI. Serb Romantics claim Serbs are the oldest people in the world; in Serbia this has provoked a satire “The Serbs Before and After Adam”. US “diplomat” Frank Wisner (the man from Enron)runs around reciting a propos of Kosovo the silly chauvinist claim that Albanians are the Urvolk of the Balkans. Marco Polo is claimed as a Croat. Scots of Galloway will be insulted if told they are a mix of Norse (well, OK) and Irish —oh gawd, No!. Even the great Cavalli-Sforza refers to “Yugoslav” as a homogeneous geneetic area. In Dubrovnik the patron saint is Blaise. If the place were Croatian at bottom,. the name would be “Blazej”, but it’s “Sveti Vlaho” —Serbian.

[maher]

For my answer to this Charmin(g) note refer to my post re General Gotovina, CRO hero and gourmet pasta-and-fish cook. Recommended by Slobodan Milosevic. Sloba said the general is well-mannered, too.

[Bokababe]

"Boka, your narrative is out of whack with that of the Serbs. The traditional Serb narrative is that the Serbs came 400+ years ago yet history shows that it was Vlachs, not Serbs. You OTOH, are suggesting that they didn't arrive until Maria Theresa. Can you please show us the arrangement and straighten this matter out?

Never said that at all. Said that "there was an arrangement with Maria Theresa and the Serbs" -- Serbs likely came there earlier than that, escaping the Turks into what they thought were "the arms of their brother Christians" and got a big surprise. Serbs got used and thrown away by the Croats.

As for presenting you with the Maria Therese agreement, I presented you with the MS Encarta article that refers to it, so do your own damn homework, Dio.

As for this "30,000 Ustasha ready to invade Montenegro" crap, the only one who ever brought that allegation up on this thread, was you. Quit whining like a little girl because no one is stupid enough to take your bait -- it's unmanly behavior, Dio.

[Diocletian]

The "30,000 Ustashas ready to invade Montenegro" simply show the absurdity of the Serbian position at the time, a position parroted by this maher fellow.

Like many people duped in Montenegro, he bought the Serbian lies wholesale...but unlike the Montenegrins, he still hasn't figured out that he's been lied to.

[Diocletian]

Sokci aren't Croatianized Serbs. The only Croatians who could have been of Serb blood are those from Eastern Hercegovina, but once again those tribes were also Vlach.

As for Sv. Vlaho, that isn't a Serbian name. "Vlaho" means "Vlach". It's also a very common name in many forms across the Balkans as a surname such as Vlasic in Croatia, Vlahovic in Bosnia, Vlahovski in Macedonia, and Vlahos in Greece.

The Serbs of Northwestern Bosnia have names that are entirely Croatian, such as Bilic. Vojislav Seselj is the only Serbian Seselj....all other Seseljs are Croatians.