Posted on 01/17/2009 7:57:23 PM PST by Ravnagora
All that has happened is that the Mafias of Montenegro and Croatia have joined hands, and whoever is willing to "pay to play", does.
As for "Montenegrins being ashamed" -- the only thing I know them to be ashamed of is their own government -- who turned their country into a whore who does any trick for a buck -- the same government who "apologized to Croatia" is also the one who spit on the graves of its ancestors to accept "Kosovo Albanian independence". These are the acts of the corrupt few at the top, not the attitude of the people.
So how much of a cut is your friend paying to the Russian mafia who owns almost the entire coast line? All this talk of water under the bridge yet you can't solve your little border disputed with Slovenia. Planning on invading them anytime soon?
Guess those Ustashe saved their ire for the Jews during the latest Gaza conflict.
Translation "Kill a Jew", written on a fence of the Croatian theater in Bosnia. The Croatian media tried to say that it was "the work of pro-Palestinian Muslims", but since when do Muslims use the "U with a Cross" as their symbol? Only the Catholic Croat Ustashe does that.
But the point here is that after being shown Montenegrin contrition towards Croatia, you lash out with a pathetic smear. Typical.
Croatia doesn’t invade foreign countries. Our minor water zone flap with Slovenia will be resolved in time. Naturally we need not worry about Slovenes coming into our country and destroying our cities and murdering our people...they aren’t Serbs.
But the Slovenes should be worried because Croats do.
Personally, I'm quite content with Croatia staying out of the EU, so I see the Slovenes as doing us a favour.
Ah, you mean like the Ustasha graffiti on the gates of the Serbian Orthodox church in Sibenik of October, 2008.
Look pretty similar to this, to me, Dio -- and those aren't Muslim symbols.
Anyone can draw a symbol, boka. Keep reaching.
Poll: Slovenians don't want Croatia in EU
16 January 2009 | 13:11 | Source: Tanjug
ZAGREB -- Close to half of Slovenians—47.5 percent—do not want to see Croatia in the EU, according to a Median poll published in weekly Globus.
36.8 percent of Slovenes support Zagreb’s EU bid.
Furthermore, according to the telephone poll conducted from January 8 to 12 on a sample of 712 Slovenian citizens, only 48.2 percent of Slovenians would vote at a referendum on Croatia’s EU entry, with 31 percent saying that they definitely would not.
The results of the poll show Slovenia’s attitude towards Croatia’s EU integration, an issue that continues to stir strong emotions on both sides of the border.
The stakes were mostly recently raised by Croatian President Stjepan Mesić, who said that if the Croats had not liberated Istra and the Slovenian coastline in 1945, Slovenia would today be looking at the sea from 20 km away.
This statement has triggered an angry reaction in Slovenia, particularly in local historical circles. Slovenian historians acknowledge that the 60,000-strong Fourth Army units that liberated those parts of the former Yugoslavia contained 40,000 Croats, but 10,000 Serbs too, and that Slovenian units had helped liberate that territory, but that what was more important was that army had been a united army with a single mission.
According to Slovenian historian Jože Prijevec, if you were to look at things from Mesić’s angle, the Croats should then ask themselves whether they should not thank the Serbs for saving them from Islam, and defending them from Austro-Hungary and the claims of other countries in 1918.
Faced with inflammatory rhetoric on both sides, one group of Croatian and Slovenian historians have called for a truce in the war of words.
Nonetheless, the view of certain Croatian analysts is that Slovenia will continue to block Croatia’s EU entry until 2015 by using its veto, the groundwork for which has been under preparation for some months now.
Croatian Foreign Minister Gordan Jandroković, for his part, does not believe that any referendum will be held, as it would lead to Croatia’s EU path being blocked.
During the Turks' most powerful era, the Serbs fought as vassals on the Turkish side against the Croatians in places like Krbavsko Polje, Siget, Sisak, Jajce, etc. This was during the 15th and 16th centuries.
The arrival of the Vlachs (who were later Serbianized) was due to the fact that the Croatian population was wiped out in many parts of Croatia due to defending Europe from Islam.
Yeah, the guy is a Slovene professional historian, Professor Maher is an American professional historian -- and they ALL have it "wrong" and you have it "right". Of course, Dio! Would like fries with that?
The fact is that ultimately Croats couldn't hold the border against the Turks alone and called in Austro-Hungary to do it -- the Krajina (military frontier) was virtually empty of Croats, many were killed off and the rest escaped to the interior. No Croat who was sane and prosperous wanted to die there, given a choice.
So the Empress Maria Theresa invited Serbs from Ottoman conquered Bosnia to inhabit the deserted Krajina in Croatia. She promised the Serbs that they could keep their religion and way of life, as long as they defended against the Turks -- so they did. This is how Serbs would up in what was the old Krajina of Croatia in the first place. Huge numbers of Serbs died there, defending the Croatian border.
But once the Turks were no longer a threat, and the Krajina was eventually abolished, the Croats wanted the Serbs to either convert to Catholicism or get out. Croatians wanted their land back from those Serbs and the only way they could get it was to drive those Serbs out or kill them off -- so during WWI, WWII, and the last war, Croats did both.
This is what the Slovenian was referring to about Croats "thanking the Serbs for defending them from Islam".
As for the rest of it, had Croatia not been allowed to join the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later called Yugoslavia) post-WWI, Croatia would have been hacked up into little pieces at Versailles instead of preserving and even ultimately increasing its territory. On that, the Slovene is also right.
The Serbs couldn't hold the border against the Turks and were overrun. Croatia was almost overrun itself and suffered major population losses but held on for a lot longer than the Serbs.
So the Empress Maria Theresa invited Serbs from Ottoman conquered Bosnia to inhabit the deserted Krajina in Croatia. She promised the Serbs that they could keep their religion and way of life, as long as they defended against the Turks -- so they did. This is how Serbs would up in what was the old Krajina of Croatia in the first place. Huge numbers of Serbs died there, defending the Croatian border.
Those were Vlachs, not Serbs. That is why the document guaranteeing their rights was called the Statorum Valachorum. They were Serbianized at the end of the 19th century. Secondly, the Vojna Krajina always had a Croatian majority population...the Vlachs were brought in to fill the gaps.
But once the Turks were no longer a threat, and the Krajina was eventually abolished, the Croats wanted the Serbs to either convert to Catholicism or get out.
Patently nonsense. Orthodox Croatians played a large role in Croatia after 1881, with men like Borojevic, Preradovic and Runjanin leading the way. Recall that Starcevic's mother was herself an Orthodox Vlach.
Croatians wanted their land back from those Serbs and the only way they could get it was to drive those Serbs out or kill them off -- so during WWI, WWII, and the last war, Croats did both.
During WW1, the Serbs of Croatia fought in the Habsburg Army. There was no "cleansing of Serbs" in Croatia during WW1. In the last war the Serbs cleansed themselves, as they themselves have admitted.
I am not sure what you saw out of that short video, but all I saw was a handful of words from Djukanovic and a whole War & Peace of monologue extrapolating on what these words were supposed to mean according to their propaganda. Whoever added the "Montenegrin communist" to all of it should have doen it as a joke, because there wasn't a leader of one of the Yugoslav republics who didn't have "communist" attached to their history, somehow -- especially Croatia's Tudjman who actually fought for the communist side during WWII! (Or at least said that he did.)
I said it before and I'll say it again -- Montnengro's Milo Djukanovic is a pimp, a mafia Don, who'd sell his country, his people and his own mother, for a buck! And the only thing worse than "a communist" is a "reformed communist" -- because the first has no morals, and the second has no morals and no ideals, they are just whores to highest bidders and embrace capitalism not as an economic system, but as a religious system as well!
Do you realize what an idiot you sound like when you say that, Dio?
"Those were Vlachs, not Serbs"
> MS Encarta:
Slavonia was under Turkish occupation for more than a century, ending in 1699. At that time, it was transferred to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In the 18th century, under Empress Maria Theresa, Serbs were invited into parts of Croatia including Slavonia, in order to garrison the frontier with the Ottoman Empire. Except for a brief interval during the Napoleonic Wars, when it was incorporated into the so-called Illyrian provinces, Slavonia remained under Habsburg rule until 1918, when it became part of the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, later called Yugoslavia. During World War II it was part of the fascist Independent State of Croatia.
To extend your logic, the high command of the RSK army are idiots too because they admitted that they cleansed themselves.
Boka: I can post more excerpts from the Montenegrin-produced documentary if you’d like.....
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