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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: BlueDragon

I have 4 1/2 of them...

GTs

69-73

ratty condition all.


4,161 posted on 08/15/2012 9:37:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What a sour puss Jim is being...cannot even take Romney’s word that he sees abortion is wrong now and has for some time. holding it against him still!


4,162 posted on 08/15/2012 9:39:33 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: sf4dubya
You can worry about your own soul; mine is fully taken care of.

Have you EVER broken one of the 7 laws?

4,163 posted on 08/15/2012 9:39:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

Wow, how disgusting and amazing.
However, it makes sense.


4,164 posted on 08/15/2012 9:40:21 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Kevmo

HUH?


4,165 posted on 08/15/2012 9:41:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Looks cool.

What I envision is a sliding scale poll that could be set up, and the answers posted on a FReeper’s home page.


4,166 posted on 08/15/2012 9:42:49 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: fabian
......cannot even take Romney’s word that he sees abortion is wrong NOW and has for some time. holding it against him still!

Well golly!

That IS a problem!!

One would think a WORTHY Mormon would have NEVER held any OTHER view!


I wonder what MORMONism says about it???


 
 
...these exceptions do not justify abortion automatically.
It “should be considered only after the persons responsible have consulted with their bishops and received divine confirmation through prayer.” 
...Is there any hope for the person who has participated in the act of abortion? Is there any hope for those who have so sinned and who now suffer heartbreak? The answer is yes!
 ( https://itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng/site/pregnant/what-are-my-options/abortion/the-lds-perspective/ )
 
Oh?  But what about:
 
...abortion is akin to murder... ( http://latterdaycommentary.com/2012/04/21/does-a-fetus-have-a-right-to-life/ )...
 
...and we KNOW the MORMON postion on Jesus' abilities to forgive the sin of MURDER!

4,167 posted on 08/15/2012 9:47:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

stpio: On Catholic radio, two programs not just one,
the hosts were saying Paul Ryan is the savior, look at his history and beliefs, Ryan has made it okay to vote for Romney.

“Now THIS will NOT set well with his MORMON benefactor!!”

~ ~ ~

Hi,

The nation needs a Christian President.

I believe God is going to bring about a miracle, He wouldn’t
leave us with no choice again. Is Paul Ryan the “miracle?”

Or, closer to November is it going to come out of the blue...”Heaven?”

pray,


4,168 posted on 08/15/2012 10:14:19 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio

One of the most blessed things, is that God can and does use what He needs to accomplish His task.
Sometimes we wish our time line was His time line.
If God chooses to use Ryan for His task He will.
Miracles are always possible, you are correct we need a person to run this country who understands that the founders fell to their knees and dedicated this country to His Will, they knew what they were doing.
The founders understood the magnitude of this dedication.
We need someone who also “gets it”.


4,169 posted on 08/15/2012 10:22:42 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Elsie

as i said....

you are a shining light for Christianity...../sarcasam


4,170 posted on 08/15/2012 10:56:24 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: FReepers


Does this shirt fit you to a Tee?

Then you're a Freeper fer sure!

So Please Support Your Forum, Monthly If You Can!



VERY Generous FReepers are kicking in $10 for every New Monthly Donor!

4,171 posted on 08/15/2012 11:01:29 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Elsie
I have 4 1/2 of them...

Have you checked the trunks? She's been missing for a long time.

Maybe if I win the lottery, I'll come by and buy a couple of them to restore. If the trunks are, uh, clean.

Straight six 250, right? Are they holding water (no cracked heads)?

If so, then I'm familiar enough with similar. Easy to work on. Hopefully wheel bearings and tie rods would be easy enough to source, like they used the same part on other more common models. I'd wager exhaust manifolds might be getting a bit rare. Trim could be the rarest, particularly the rear lighting bezels and trim.

4,172 posted on 08/15/2012 11:06:21 PM PDT by BlueDragon (try looking on a beach somewhere? I dunno, but she aint here, that's for sure...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson; Unam Sanctam; Dr. Sivana; Finny; RitaOK; GailA; wagglebee; ...
High Tech Redneck:

Feel free on this CONSERVATIVE website to try to prove my "line of 'logic' is stupid" because I refuse to sell out conservative principles and Catholic doctrine to support despicable liberal trash like Mittler. Not to worry that I will be donning any clothespins to do so. If and when Mittler is actually elected (no slam dunk because the GOP base does not care enough to get excited for Mittler). I and other conservatives will be here to lead the effort to tear the sorry SOB limb from limb long before you concede what a movement killing mistake it is/was to elect Mittler.

I join JimRob in refusing to support an abortion-loving enthusiast for all things homosexual who will likely appoint the modern equivalents of William Brennan, Earl Warren, Herod Blackmun, Lewis Powell, David Souter, John Paul Stevens, etc., to our highest courts (with GOP Senate monarchist support which would NOT be given to Obozo's nominees) in the grand old left-wing GOP elitist tradition. Additionally, I will refuse to support the probable envirowhacko agenda and gun grabbing agenda both of which are hallmarks of the apineless GOP elite such as Mittler.

Do you like the idea of innocent children being placed with rump rangers??? If so, you will be just thrilled with Mittler. AND, he will be fostering such policies and abominations in the name of the GOP just as he did in Massachusetts. Lavender Nation will be sooooo elated! Just fabulous!!!

Then there is the little matter of persecution of churches. First Amendment be da*ned: Full Speed ahead!!! Obozocare is very bad in this respect and Romneycare as enacted with Mittler's gleeful enthusiasm in Massachusetts is even worse. Under Romney, even the Catholic Church itself must pay for abortion "care" and sterilizations and birth control and sex change "coverage" for direct employees like 95-year-old Alzheimer's afflicted priests and nuns in nursing homes (just in case, don'tcha know?). Not that Obozocare is much better. It is now bipartisan hunting season for politicians hunting pro-life churches. Expect Catholicism to lead the counter-revolution along with the other pro-life and pro-family churches.

The argument of the Romney pom pom girls is: OK, so Mittler will support abortion on demand paid for by everyone, "gay" everything, church persecution of all pro-life and pro-family churches, gun grabbing, empty-headed GOP elitist liberalism and "fashionability" in the never ending pathetic search of the GOP-E for approval by the lame stream media and academia, name barbarians to our courts to continue the holocaust of American babies, move euthanasia forward, and generally not bother his brain cells (if any) with a single worthwhile thought during any tenure in office much less DO anything worthwhile. And the pom pom girls observe that, even so, Mittler is an undetectable microscopic smidgeon better (allegedly) than Obozo even if Mittler will destroy the GOP brand as an opposition to Obozoism, but, hey, what's not to get sexually excited over???? Puhleeze!!!

Did I mention that no known Romney has EVER served in the US military and that the family tradition is to escape into missionary work instead although no Romney continues to be an active missionary or full-time cleric after any military "emergency" expires. He knows NOTHING about foreign policy. He cares less about veterans. Do you think he cares any more about law enforcement personnel?

Just what do you suppose that Romney's anonymous corrupt Wall Street back room boys will be expecting in exchange for the mountain of money they provided for his primary campaign of lies, slanders, libels and character assassination against each and every worthy GOP POTUS candidate? Is our government going to be leased to them for the next four years??? As to forcing me to do anything in support of a despicable pig like Romney, don't you worry your crimson little neck. The sun will not rise in the West, either. You won't find me supporting what is actually Gerald Ford II.

4,173 posted on 08/16/2012 12:44:45 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: BlackElk

Gerald Ford would be a vast improvement! Dig that boy up.


4,174 posted on 08/16/2012 12:53:51 AM PDT by BlueDragon (try looking on a beach somewhere? I dunno, but she aint here, that's for sure...)
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To: BlueDragon
Heck... for that matter, Warren Gamaliel Harding would be a vast improvement. ;)
4,175 posted on 08/16/2012 12:56:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Jim Robinson
Unam Sanctam:

Now, let's get a few things straight.

There are various forms of what passes for Catholicism that exist in our land. It would be entertaining to watch you try to defend your version to my pastor. My Catholicism is not the Kumbaya variety. I don't sit around the old campfire crooning Kumbaya while selling out Catholic doctrine and conservative principles just to make nice with the enemies of both. I don't live in a Pollyanna world in which something becomes right because I really, REALLY, really want it to be.

Romney says he will repeal and REPLACE Obamacare. That means renaming the overwhelming majority of Obamacare as National Romneycare. What on earth makes you think otherwise??? The pissant had a track record in Massachusetts and George McGovern in his prime could not have done worse on issues that matter.

I don't really give a damn what Mittler's "stated policies" may be this week. Governor Etch-a-Sketch has an entire career of lies, deceptions, convenient changes of what passes for his conscience, and all purpose GOP elitist windtunnelism behind him and he is not about to change his ways at 65. Anyone who believes any of his self-serving lies is a fool. Lucy is teeing up that football, Charlie Brown, and this time she REALLY promises not to pull it away at the last second.

Romney never appointed a single "pro-life judge" in Massachusetts. Why would he start now? On this issue: Obama vs. Romney: Advantage to neither. You owe an apology to "gray" for accusing Mittler of being a shade of it.

Please stop the silly pretension that I HAVE to make what you erroneously call a prudential, pragmatic judgment as to which of these gross evils (Obozo or Mittler) is "the least bad alternative." I don't have to make any such judgment. I can refuse to sell my soul and I can vote for Tom Hoefling all in one election while voting AGAINST Obozo AND Mittler.

My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year's major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don't normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.

Is it now unacceptably "hyper purist" for Catholics to refuse material cooperation with the mass murder of babies and with the everlasting promotion of fudge-packing??? What would "moderation" look like in your imagination?

"Atheistic communism???" That is promoted by the GOP-E as well as by the Obozos. The only difference is that the Romney types worship two false gods: MONEY and POWER! And the Obozo types simply worship power (and NOT in our name). I was not aware that either Obozo or Romney are in slow motion in trying to wreck our republic. Any evidence for that "prudential judgment" other than candidates' self-serving lies?

Everyone IS a sinner. It's a fallen world. See Mr. and Mrs. Adam at the very outset. That is not the standard for repudiating politicians. The standard is that neither Obozo nor Romney have any redeeming features whatsoever to be POTUS. I have voted for each and every GOP nominee from Nixon in 1968 to McCain in 2008. That constitutes (with the exception of Ronaldus Maximus) more than a fair amount of compromise. If I had those votes to cast again, I would not vote for Gerald Ford and perhaps not for Nixon in 1968. Ask yourself how many GOP voters of such consistency will refuse to vote for the likes of Romney.

How many babies' lives are you willing to trade for slightly lower taxes or a bit less regulation? If you claim to be a Catholic (which covers a broad territory in the US because of a generation or two of bad bishops whose successors today are far better and resulting bad catechesis), then you belong to a Church which (whatever your pastor may claim) is famed for resisting evil and not promoting it or compromising with it. Prudence has nothing to do with it. For nearly 2,000 years, we have turned shovels of dirt on the graves of each and every enemy. How many divisions has Stalin NOW??? Neither Obozo nor Romney will escape that fate. That is guaranteed by the very Highest Authority.

As to "contact" with the world, I was a Reagan State Chairman when he challenged Feckless Ford. I was also a staffer when Reagan was a convention candidate in 1968. How about you? Singing Kumbaya with our enemies around the old campfire does not count!

In ancient pagan imperial Rome, the "prudent" thing to do was for Christians (Catholics) to throw a few grains of wheat in the fire to indicate a willingness to worship the false god that was each emperor. Then the pater familia could go back to his home, his hearth and his family and his bakery or whatever and live his life. The ones we admire were willing to be torn apart by wild beasts at the Circus Maximus rather than worship (even in that minor way) a false god. There were emperors such as Marcus Aurelius who were near infinitely superior to such trash as Romney or Obozo. There were also Caligulas, Neros, Commoduses and Diocletians who more closely resemble our modern politicians (in BOTH parties) whether you want to admit it or not.

55 million sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies and counting. Congratulations on "prudence" and its results.

4,176 posted on 08/16/2012 1:50:21 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: berdie
You can be discussing eating mashed potatoes and all of a sudden you are da**ned to he!! for doing so.

:)
4,177 posted on 08/16/2012 3:08:06 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: stpio
That is a VERY good point!

Things HAPPEN when they read the handwriting on the wall!!!


But will Darius the Mede be a 'good' king?




"Don't be afraid, the prophet answered, 'Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.'"

2 Kings 6:16

4,178 posted on 08/16/2012 5:07:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stpio
I believe God is going to bring about a miracle, He wouldn’t leave us with no choice again.

Oh??

Why not?

We HAVE a 'choice' right now: 2 Chronicles 7:14

Will we 'choose this day whom we will serve'? Is Paul Ryan the “miracle?”

4,179 posted on 08/16/2012 5:10:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stpio
Is Paul Ryan the “miracle?”

There is only ONE Savior; and He really does NOT like sharing His glory.




“I am the LORD; that is my name!
I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Isaiah 42:8

4,180 posted on 08/16/2012 5:18:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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