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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

*The evil laugh of Zim*


5,601 posted on 08/25/2005 5:54:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Monkey Face

I thought you were my big fan.

*sob*


5,602 posted on 08/25/2005 5:56:43 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Darksheare

My mother was 5'1" and my dad was 5'6" I teased him mercilessly when I realized he was "shrinking." I called him "my little bitty daddy." I still miss him. :o[


5,603 posted on 08/25/2005 5:57:06 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Darksheare

"I love that shoooo-ooow!!!"

5,604 posted on 08/25/2005 5:57:22 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: fanfan

Heheheheheh!

The biggest! *huggy things*


5,605 posted on 08/25/2005 5:57:45 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

:-)

5,606 posted on 08/25/2005 6:00:05 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Don't mention it! ;o]


5,607 posted on 08/25/2005 6:03:44 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

You know you're grown up, when your parents start to shrink. :-)

We used to bug my Dad about the pink elephants he was 'Expecting'. Hehehe.

Love that man.

Dads are a gift from God, eh?


5,608 posted on 08/25/2005 6:07:13 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face



Helllloooooooo!


5,609 posted on 08/25/2005 6:08:30 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: fanfan

yes they are.


5,610 posted on 08/25/2005 6:09:25 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: fanfan

Mine sure was. He knew lots of things about lots of things, and when I was a little tyke, I followed him like a shadow.


5,611 posted on 08/25/2005 6:09:29 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Hello. I'm sorry, but I don't know that person...*snort*

How are you?






LOL!


5,612 posted on 08/25/2005 6:10:29 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

u dont know who jerry seinfeld is?


5,613 posted on 08/25/2005 6:11:40 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: Monkey Face

"No Little Girl can be truly happy unless she knows she has the love of her Daddy!"

~ Marge Simpson


5,614 posted on 08/25/2005 6:13:16 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Yah...I know who he is, but I never watched his show...sorry *hanging head*

I don't do sitcoms because the man is always painted as a dummy. I don't like that. So I don't watch.



5,615 posted on 08/25/2005 6:15:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: tiamat

Yepper. That's true. Mine died when I was 17.


5,616 posted on 08/25/2005 6:16:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Darksheare
My father said something the other day that sounded like he said "There is a possum in the works."

LOL. What was it he actually said? Did you find out?

BTW, if you don't want to shoot it, you should set a trap.(Tell your Dad.)

:-)

5,617 posted on 08/25/2005 6:17:32 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face
I have called upon the powers of the machanized, and they have heard the cry for a BIG fan. Will 20 feet in diameter hold you for awhile??


5,618 posted on 08/25/2005 6:17:35 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: HKMk23

WOW! Thanks!

Now I'm a big fan of YOURS! LOL!
;o]


5,619 posted on 08/25/2005 6:19:19 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face; Stellar Dendrite

Exactly!!!

My Dad knew everything! An amazing fountain of knowledge (and he could spell!), and spending time with him was the most uplifting, exciting, interesting, times of my life.

To Dads:

Remember how important you are to your children.

Then you can be appreciated by weird kids like me.


5,620 posted on 08/25/2005 6:25:02 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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