Posted on 01/28/2009 8:35:55 AM PST by Puzo1
The article provides reasons for preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution
We must also ponder is Obama, a competent hardcore leftist, more dangerous to our country than an incompetent hardcore leftist such as Vice President Biden.
I choose Biden.
You said — “At this point it’s moot. He’s in and frankly we have to get it into our heads that at this moment it’s not going to make a difference. If he were removed now, there would be a bloodbath.”
Some posters are infected with “Obama Derangement Syndrome”... thinking that everything is a conspiracy when things don’t turn out the way they want or think it should.
Instead, others are working in a “real-world” and practical sense...
Eight Arizona Legislators Introduce Bill for Presidential Candidates to Prove Eligibility
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2170651/posts
What is being done is Arizona and Oklahoma make a whole lot more sense... for sane people, anyway...
“If he were removed now, there would be a bloodbath.”
So it’s better to loose the constitution and the rule of law to avoid a bloodbath? Die a slow death or fight for America, like our ancestors did, is the question.
Let the courts do their job and if they fail, then we protest everywhere and if that fails, it’s lock and load.
I total agree with you, We can not let the threat of violence form mindless individuals stop the right thing from happening.
Make him show his birth certificate and other documentation. If he is a Natural Born Citizen then so be it he is within the law (well accept for some possible voter fraud), But if he is not a citizen then not only should he be nullified and all his posts, executive orders and so on... but many enablers should be held accountable for conspiracy, heck as I see it treason which can have a very strong and permanent sentence.
I view abortion as a bloodbath. When I think about it it boggles my mind. I have enough Zero Sanity Syndrome to deal with without contemplating the abortions being performed.
You have a loose screw or are just plain nuts. How does requiring 0bama to meet the Constitutional requirements of being “natural born” become an argument for trying George Bush?
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My HIGHEST Commendation to Mario Apuzzo!! If Obama was unfaithful to the Constitution to become President, there is certainly no reason to expect he will uphold it as President!
Having written two books exposing Rick Warren as a false teacher, published by Southwest Radio Church (swrc.com), I am not even surprised that Obama selected Rick Warren, they both believe in a Global Peace Plan that can be forged with Muslims. In blessing and celebrating Barack Obama, Rick Warren, and Rev. Mahoney, Rev. Rob Shenck, and Congressman Broun consecrating Obama, I would like to ask the following. I am curious would you have done the same anointing for Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? I am quite sure there were government officials and pastors who did exactly what you just did to honor Hitler's Inauguration! The Temple grounds after the Lord destroyed it in order consecrate it for the Romans? How about when the Antichrist stands on the Temple which the same Jesus Christ said would defile it with the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel? Are you going to, like John Roberts and Rick Warren, consecrate this man of sin? Or are you going to sound the alarm on His Holy Hill and be responsible and warn the people like Ezekiel did as a good watchman on the wall? For if you don't his blood will also be on your hands!
In this regard, I appeal to you to read my letter to Supreme Court John Roberts available at http://www.voiceoftruthradio.com/james/justiceroberts.pdf!
Yes God is Sovereign over Obama who has become President, but woe to them by whom it comes! Apparently none of you who applaud Rick Warren are familiar with the precedent and commandments of the Apostle Paul who did not commend false teachers rather he marked them and three times in Galatians said let them be eternally damned...unless you repent!
Obama, citing Scripture: “We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things.”
Taken from I Corinthians 13:11 which states:
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
So now that he is an adult he is asking us to grow up to do away with childish things (and such things as unborn children) like:
Right to Life of unborn and the pursuit of happiness according to the Declaration of Independence?
Right to Life even if you are born?
Belief that sodomy is a sin and that God used Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of his wrath against it?
Belief that marriage between only a man and a woman?
Belief in First Amendment in favor of the “Fairness Doctrine”?
Belief that you need a real birth certificate to become President?
Belief in shouting the truth from the rooftops and sounding the alarm on His Holy Hill for concealing and covering up the truth about your birth?
Belief that Islam's global agenda is the total destruction of Jews and Christians?
Belief that God hates evil men and does not love all men?
Belief in capitalism and exchange it for Marxism?
Belief that fraud is an abomination to the Lord?
Belief that Planned Parent was founded on racial purification and extermination and eugenics?
Belief that the Apostle Paul was talking to Christians in the Scripture Obama quoted?
Belief that it was wrong to snuff out the life of baby before it even had a chance to become like a child without ever even getting a chance to put away childish things?
Belief that the land of Israel is not Obama’s to carve up?
Belief that the “Fairness Doctrine” is unfair and constitutes censorship?
Belief that all Christians are suppose to evangelize atheists, Muslims, Hindus to become born again in compliance with the Great Commission?
Belief the Ten Commandments which say Thou Shalt have NO other gods before” but when I was no longer a child I put away that childish idea and believed Gene Robinson's prayer?
Belief that sodomites when not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?
Belief that if you do not work you should not eat for the adult belief that I am entitled to a government handout and bailout for what I have not earned?
Belief that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and exchange that for the belief that Muslim Louis Farrakhan is right in saying the Obama is the Messiah and Mahdi?
Belief that Jesus Christ is exclusively the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except by him and the Apostle Paul (whom Obama quotes) that taught anyone who preached another gospel be eternally damned for an INCLUSIVE God?
Belief that the Biblical Doctrine of Separation is a commandment of both Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul and become united for we are one?
Now we are asked by Obama to grow up and put away those childish things so that we can all be one in his and Oprah's NEW AGE?
Now we are asked by Obama to grow up and put away those childish things so that we can all be one in his and Oprah's NEW AGE, so that the entire nation may “quiver”!
Barack Obama loves to quote the Apostle Paul's Second Letter to the Corinthian Church, how about quoting his First Letter to the Corinthian Church:
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves , nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Why didn't Obama cite the other key Scripture from Paul's letter to the Corinthians which is one of the cornerstones of church discipline and the doctrine of Separation from immoral brothers who claim they are Christians?
“Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.” I Corinthians 5:13
Or why not quote this passage from Paul's Second Letter to the Church of Corinth which reaffirms the Doctrine of Separation...a commandment for all Christians and pastors?
2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
I am staggered that Obama would quote the Apostle Paul's letter without giving the context and more critically the main thrust of his letters to the Corinthian Church. I am hoping and praying that everyone who heard Obama cite Corinthians, will now go and read it for themselves and see how it indicts both Obama, what he promotes, and Rick Warren as well!
And what does Rick Warren say in aninterview with Charlie Rose, August 17, 2006, he told Charlie Rose that he told Eric Sawyer, gay activist leader: “how can I help you get your message out?” And now applauds Obama for selecting Gene Robinson to pray at his Inauguration.
In case anyone believes Warren's words in his Inaugural Prayer in which he stated on January 20, 2009:
“Help us, O God, to remember that we are Americans, united not by race, or religion, or blood, but to our commitment to freedom and justice for all”
where is the freedom and justice for all of the “resisters” and Fundamentalist Christians whom Rick Warren calls enemies of the 21st Century that he as purpose-driven out of churches? For those of you doubt his lack compassion for them and schematic for removing all of those who oppose him that he claims “You don't have to see eye to eye to walk hand in hand”, read these documented cases: in Rick Warren's “Spiritual Eugenics” at:http://www.voiceoftruthradio.com/james.htm
Ask these Christians who were given the left boot of fellowship how well they walked hand in hand with Rick Warren, as he is now doing with Barack Obama?? Is Rick Warren now going to give back all of the churches throughout the world that he has hijacked? And is Obama going to give the Presidency of the United States that he has hijacked (and Warren blessed) back to the People of the United States?
I wish that the certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama sent from Kenya, and received by three separate individuals,
get released to the public, over national TV,
and generate so much HELL for the Democrats, that they NEVER live it down.
Because that’s too long for the sheeple to read let alone understand, it means:
Which parts of the Constitution are we going to ignore and which parts are we going to defend? And who decides?
Not trying to minimize your point. Just trying to remind people the depth of depravity Liberals are willing to stoop to to remain in power.
Legally it's not moot. He's either eligible to the office he holds, or he's not. If he's not, someone else will need to hold the office. We can handle that. It would almost certainly be another Democrat. Maybe Biden, maybe Hillary. But that is not nearly so important as the Constitution be observed.
We simply have to fight fight fight now
We are fighting... To "support and defend the Constitution of the United States", just as many of us have sworn an oath to do.
Why "instead", why not "Additionally". In any conflict, there is usually more than one battle going on a time. In fact on any one front of any conflict their is usually more than one battle going on at a time.
IOW, it need not be "either/or", it can be both, or all.
No it would not be treason. That's specifically defined in the Constitution.
Article III, Section. 3. Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
It would be fraud however, and conspiracy to commit fraud. It might also be a violation of civil rights under color of law. I'm sure a little thought could point out several other significant crimes that it would be. But it would not be treason.
Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.
Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter. There is a reason as to why he does not address this issue directly. If he does, it is news. Even the MSM will cover THAT. That is why discussion of it is always done thru surrogates.
Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.
If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.
We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
Many decry us for undertaking a hopelessly Quixotic enterprise, doomed to failure. Perhaps so. Therefore, I recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.
“I wish that the certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama sent from Kenya, and received by three separate individuals, get released to the public...”
I don’t think this was genuine but something thought up by Ed Hale and denied by Berg.
Funny about page you have, well both of you. ;)
I don’t believe he was born in Kenya.
We’d just get Biden anyway. (then Pelosi, Byrd, HRC...)
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