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what started this birth certificate debacle?
sarah p

Posted on 01/30/2009 12:56:39 PM PST by sarah p

i have a question. (actually, i have lots of questions!)

what or who was it that first questioned obama's place of birth?

i am trying to figure out the original source of this info. it seems to me that the key accusation of his kenyan birth came from some who either knew or speculated that his mother traveled to kenya in the summer of 1961. it is certainly a reasonable hypothesis, but is there any evidence or reference that someone can site as to the first person that claimed this?

i think that philip berg was the first to claim that obama's mother traveled to kenya. does anyone recall if he actually was the first and, if so, what he based this claim on?

before you all start calling me an obot, here me out.

I BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS, regardless of where he was born because his father was never a US citizen.

it is possible that the kenyan birth theory could have been started to divert our attention from the obvious and well documented fact that obama is not a nbc because his father was a foreign national.

this birth certificate issue has been twisted by the media and others, resulting in anyone who questioned his eligibility to be labeled as "wacko conspiracy theorists, racists, etc. this has resulted in the loss of credibility of this issue in the public eye and hinders otherwise intelligent citizens from looking further into the details of this case.

it is a safe assumption that a harvard trained constitutional lawyer, such as obama, would know the definition of nbc and how he is not one.

of course, i still think it's possible that he was born in kenya. i just think it is easy to get lost in all of the evidence and theories. it would be a good idea for us to step back, look at the big picture and try to determine how this whole mess began.

good bless america! thanks to all who still want to protect our constitution.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcerificate; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; historicevent; ineligible; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: sarah p
your so called on line style of writing does make it hard to take you seriously
81 posted on 01/30/2009 2:52:59 PM PST by okokie
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To: Non-Sequitur; FreeAtlanta
absent any evidence that he wasn't born in Hawaii.

**snicker**

The Big Wagyu don't have to prove that he was born in Hawaii, you have to prove he WASN'T born in Hawaii, FreeAtlanta. :-)

Think you got it backwards, Non.

82 posted on 01/30/2009 2:55:27 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
It is still a good question. There is likely evidence out there. I doubt all evidence of a white American giving birth in Kenya in the early 1960's has been destroyed. Photos, entry and departure records, airline records, hospital records, letters, postage markings of letters. This isn't an easy matter to really make go away.

If it happened, why hasn't any of this evidence surfaced?

I suspect the family was trying to keep something quiet, but it wouldn't have been a trip to Kenya.

People are looking at this through the wrong end of the telescope, as though the family knew in 1961 that the baby would grow up to run for president.

83 posted on 01/30/2009 2:57:57 PM PST by x
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To: Allegra
The best:


84 posted on 01/30/2009 3:00:21 PM PST by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: sarah p
i am trying to figure out the original source of this info. it seems to me that the key accusation of his kenyan birth came from some who either knew or speculated that his mother traveled to kenya in the summer of 1961.

The first reference to it I could find came from Phil Berg, who sometime during the summer claimed to have a recording of BHO's paternal grandmother saying she whitnessed his birth in Kenya. It turned out that's not what she was saying once the tape became public. But that didn't stop the brithers, who continue repeating it, to this day, as if it were gospel truth.

85 posted on 01/30/2009 3:02:26 PM PST by curiosity
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To: muawiyah
Obama's aunt/grandmother started it when she said she was present there in Kenya as he, Obama, was being born.

Turns out that's not what she said.

86 posted on 01/30/2009 3:02:57 PM PST by curiosity
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To: sarah p

Beat it sarah p.

IBTZ


87 posted on 01/30/2009 3:03:20 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: mnehrling
...so, you can say, this demand for proof of Obama’s citizenship is actually bi-partisan.

That's true. Wearing a tinfoil hat is not a partisan activity. Crackpottery has no ideological limits.

88 posted on 01/30/2009 3:05:35 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Shelayne
I'd guess that meant it was getting better.

≤}B^)

89 posted on 01/30/2009 3:08:05 PM PST by Erasmus (Yes, English is my first language. I'm hoping to do better on my second.)
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To: curiosity

Not exactly my point, my point was that people on all sides of this are curious about it, this isn’t a ‘right wing conspiracy’ against Obama.

Frankly, I am skeptical about both sides of this..


90 posted on 01/30/2009 3:24:05 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Non-Sequitur
Anyone seen a transcript of what she actually said? Got a link?

Here you go:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/obamas-grandmother-says-he-was-born/

91 posted on 01/30/2009 3:25:23 PM PST by curiosity
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To: indylindy
Some people are sure rough on n00bs! I think this one's on our side. I don't like lower case but so what. It always reminds me of the "poet" e.e.cummings.

then there's the poster who sprinkles everything with asterisks and "You said..."s .

As to 'who started this debacle', well for starters, how about Hussein himself?

92 posted on 01/30/2009 3:26:02 PM PST by luvadavi (Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times...)
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To: mnehrling
Not exactly my point, my point was that people on all sides of this are curious about it, this isn’t a ‘right wing conspiracy’ against Obama.

True enough. It's a bi-partisan crackpot conspiracy.

93 posted on 01/30/2009 3:26:15 PM PST by curiosity
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To: sarah p
I BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS, regardless of where he was born because his father was never a US citizen.

Yes, of course. From the "completely made up" part of the U.S. Constitution.

94 posted on 01/30/2009 3:29:35 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Yes, of course. From the "completely made up" part of the U.S. Constitution.

No, seriously - it's on the BACK of the U.S. Constitution, in invisible ink.

I saw it in a movie...

95 posted on 01/30/2009 3:44:25 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: sarah p
what or who was it that first questioned obama's place of birth?

i'm not sure who was the first one to start the "rumor," but it was Jim Geraghty's June 9 article that formally raised the question of Obama's place of birth.

It is in the INTRODUCTION section of my final report.

96 posted on 01/30/2009 3:45:32 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Petronski
Barack Obama,/i>

EXACTLY!!

97 posted on 01/30/2009 3:46:00 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: sarah p

Troll.


98 posted on 01/30/2009 3:51:10 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: sarah p
It is also helpful to know that there is a direct, significant inverse relationship between the use of the terms, "wingnut," and "tin-foil conspiracy," and the IQ of the individual using them, and the steength of the relationship is a function of how many times an individual uses these terms.
99 posted on 01/30/2009 3:53:00 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Polarik
One of the tings that I always remember when people drag up the old "The Supreme Court refuses to hear these cases" is that the federal courts are notoriously chicken when it comes to major political questions.

Exhibit A is the Taney court decision in the Dred Scott case.

Exhibit B, Bill Clinton lying to a federal judge's face (this is called "perjury" when a peasant does it, and the peasant goes to jail for a long time). How long did Bill Clinton spend in jail, again? ;-)

100 posted on 01/30/2009 4:07:49 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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