Obama's eligibility issue: Why the British Citizenship argument is a red herring

The Greater Evil ^ | 06/27/09 | Polarik

[taxtruth]

As soon as the whitehouse can convince some state in America to print one up.Maybe a state needs a little money from uncle sammy otherwise known as “CONARTIST”.

[LucyT]

bHo’s birth certificate was posted for sale on eBay last night.

eBay Auction #160345002984

Check out the recent items the Seller Bought ...

a book on Hit Men (a How-To Manual)

a book on Africa

several items of paper money (pesos)

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=colmado_naranja&ftab=AllFeedback

[taxtruth]

Very interesting.I'm going thru all the auctions now.

[taxtruth]

It seems he likes nice shoes at a bargain basement price.Size 11.5.

[LucyT]

There are a couple of threads about the eBay sale of bHo’s Kenyan birth certificate. Here is one link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2280528/posts

[real_patriotic_american]

Well, it fits Obama. He’s a Chicago thug politician you know.

[real_patriotic_american]

Interesting. Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

Excerpt: “In effect, Obama, by way of his Press Secretary, just admitted to committing felony document fraud as what is posted on the Internet is a forgery, a false government identification document in violation of Federal statutes.”

[LucyT]

Here’s the other thread about eBay and the birth certificate.

Re: ‘Proof’ of Kenyan birth twice scrubbed by eBay

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2280932/posts

[Plummz]

This would mean Barry lost his US citizenship when he attended Occidental as a Kenyan.

U.S. has no treaty on mutual recognition of dual citizenship with other countries. In the late XIX - early XX centuries. United States ratified a number of treaties on nationality (the so-called «contract Benkrofta», on behalf of a well-known am. Diplomat J. Benkrofta), but their goal was just the prevention of cases of dual nationality by automatic deprive a person of U.S. citizenship when adopting the State of nationality of the counterparty under the contract, and vice versa.

[Plummz]

Was it a Kenyan marriage license missing?

[Polarik]

Thanks, Buckeye.

[Polarik]

I haven’t seen the Hawaiiam marriage license between Dunham and OBama. It has not been released by Obama or by FOIA.

For who wojuld a Kenyan marriage license be?

[Plummz]

Maybe you haven’t seen the Hawaii marriage license because there ain’t one.

[Frantzie]

Kudos to you Polarik for your tireless efforts.

[Kenny Bunk]

Thanks all for your forbearance on my particular slant, i.e., a movement to get state legislatures to require their state's electors to demand documentary proof of eligibility.

My enthusiasm for this solution is based on legal advice and opinion. However, I do not wish it to appear that I am in opposition to other modes of seeking resolution to this problem. I am not. It is simply impossible to understand them all, because, despite the simple and clear words of the Constitution, this is a very complex problem and has never been satisfactorily addressed in the history of the Republic.

Suffice it to say, we all know the answer. The hard part is "Where do we ask the friggin' questions with the force of law behind us and require the man and his supporters to honestly answer? How do we apply the penalty? The Vice President is a party to the deception. Does he become President, if the Presdient is removed?"

Come Hell or high water, I do not believe that Obama will be the Democratic candidate in 2012. That however, is a very unsatisfactory solution to this Constitutional crisis.

[Polarik]

That’s what I think.

[Polarik]

From the beginning, Donofrio has felt that Obama would NOT hide behind a VALID birth certificate that would repudiate him — unless it REALLY exists. Obama, when forced, would pop up with the Long Form, in his big “ah-ha!” moment that would back HIS claim and DESTROY ALL “birther” claims.

That was supposed to be Obama's surprise. TRolls continue to talk about it, but after spending $1 million to quash the eligibiligy lawsuits, the "Ah-ah" is more of an "Oh-sh*t" as he wold love for these to go away. But, forgeries are forever. He will get nailed on it.

[Kenny Bunk]

It occurs to me that as we press forward in debate along multiple points of law, that Team Obama has prepared a defense in depth for each of the points debated on this thread.

That, IMHO, is where the well-documented "millions in legal fees" have gone, not in defending the many lawsuits, all of which to date, seem to have rather quickly foundered on the rock of "no standing," after disappointingly brief and even cursory hearings in state courts, and also on appeal. And of course as we know, SCOTUS showed little interest in taking up the fight on the grounds, I think, that it is a state and congressional matter.

Besides the obviously ongoing legal research conducted by Team Obama, there is a massive PR campaign underway to conflate the forged COLB and the missing "long form" Birth Certificate. This effort has succeeded beyond Team Obama's wildest dreams, with even the President's Press Secretary publicly telling the lie.

Don't you think it is high time that a Republican Congressman found the time to publicly refute this damnable lie for the Congressional Record?

Not that I am suggesting Dirty Jim as a role model, but Jim Traficant (ex-D. Ohio and now a guest of the Federal DoC) at least had the cojones to publicly take on Bill and Hillary?

We must have one guy who doesn't have serious federal time hanging over him who is as tough as Traficant!

Now, Michelle Obama is carefully floating yet another trial balloon on the possibility of Obama's birth out of wedlock, and there is indeed case law that seems to support the automatic citizenship of a bastard born to an American mother by a foreign father! (Whether this would qualify the bastard as "natural born," or not, who the Hell knows?)

Of course, the one area in which Team Obama has no defense is in the matter of the phony facsimile COLB posted on the web. It is. And they did it. But, and is a big legal BUT, can this outrageously fraudulent document be shown to a State Attorney General as having actually been presented as proof of eligibility to his state's electors? Why isn't that necessary? To the best of anyone's knowledge, was there a state in which Presidential Candidate Obama formally did that? Or, is this just a (my state's Attorney General) legal excuse for doing nothing?

Has anyone tried to get a state's Attorney General to take up the case (and the cause)? As we wrangle amongst ourselves to Obama's probable merriment and benefit, it again occurs to me that what we need is a leader of national stature to ramrod the effort, with working groups pursuing each possible remedy. On another thread, I had suggested Haley Barbour, but no one seemed to think much of the idea, but a Republican State Governor would be ideal, particularly if he had the benefit of Republican majorities in his legislature, or a tough Attorney General spoiling for a fight.

The GOP is looking forward to a big comeback in 2010, but no one it seems is willing to take on Obama and say what needs to be said, and in the case of the forgery, do what needs to be done. Obama out before 2012? I'm in, tell me what to do.

[Polarik]

Has anyone tried to get a state's Attorney General to take up the case (and the cause)?

Yes I have, but only the first 50: I still have another seven to go.

[Kenny Bunk]

.....but only the first 50: I still have another seven to go.....

I heard it through the grapevine ......those 7 remaining Attorneys General are definitely in the Obama column. In fact, they probably have Birth Certificates ... with pictures ... ready to go.

BTW, whom do you like as a leader the national effort to get these issues on the table ... or at least on the news? Our team is OK, but we need a coach and quarterback.