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Driving libertarians out of the Tea Party movement
insidecatholic.com ^ | 12/29/09 | Brian Saint-Paul

Posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:48 PM PST by Publius804

It appears that some state and county Tea Party groups are trying to cleanse their ranks of libertarians. That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types.

Lawrence Samuels, editor of Facets of Liberty: A Libertarian Primer and participant in the Monterey County Tea Party, is witnessing the purge firsthand:

[A]fter a successful 4th of July Tea Party parade and Freedom Rally in Monterey, the cracks in the alliance split wide open. I was accused of belonging to too many leftist organizations. In fact, I am co-chair of the local Libertarians for Peace, which joined the 27-member Monterey County Peace Coalition to protest the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But Libertarians for Peace is neither Left nor Right….

Obviously, the Tea Party conservatives were neophytes; never before had they been involved in political activism. Some had never heard of Congressman Ron Paul. Prof. David R. Henderson, one of the libertarian Tea Party Board members, described this curious phenomenon as "activism without ideals." I thought my phrase captured it best: "a cause without a rebel." In fact, as demands to purge the libertarians intensified, we got the distinct feeling that the purgers fit the category of "reactionary" since they seemed to know only what they were against, not what they were for. Amazingly, they never pointed out any philosophical differences that they found objectionable. It was as if they were devoid of ideas, marooned with empty rhetoric and no real solutions….

In retrospect, it did not help our case when we asked these rookies embarrassing questions. We asked them why they had done nothing when President Bush bailed out the banks and auto companies, spent money like a drunken sailor, bashed civil liberties and advanced socialized medicine with Medicare Prescription Drug law, a program that some in Congress estimated will have a price tag of $1.2 trillion by 2016. I suppose our questioning merely rubbed their noises too deeply in their ignorance.

You can read his entire account here.

If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: conservativism; libertarian; libertarians; paulestinians; republican; ronpaul; teaparty
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1 posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:49 PM PST by Publius804
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To: Publius804

Oh yea, this will help. I’m really, really beginning to loathe the GOP.


2 posted on 12/30/2009 4:54:21 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Publius804

The tea parties should be there own thing and beyond political affiliations.


3 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:25 PM PST by decimon
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To: Publius804
That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers...

I knew Paul was old, but I didn't know he was Ben Franklin old.

4 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:29 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Publius804
That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types”

I stopped right there.
What is this guy smoking?

5 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:35 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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“since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers”

Is that true? I kinda thought it started with Glenn Beck.


6 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: decimon

there = their


7 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:22 PM PST by decimon
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To: Publius804

When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?


8 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:31 PM PST by j.argese
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As long as you keep that kook RON PAUL your Spokesman... you’re going to be marked as a KOOK and not welcome ANYWHERE!!!


9 posted on 12/30/2009 4:57:15 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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“I suppose our questioning merely rubbed their noises too deeply in their ignorance.”
Perhaps they are “purging” you because you come across as an arrogant prick.


10 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:24 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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It was as if they were devoid of ideas, marooned with empty rhetoric and no real solutions….

Always a good way to win your argument by insulting those who don't agree with you.

11 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:34 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Publius804
If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.
But if they hitch their wagon to the Ron Paul star... wow... there's no telling how far they can go... in East Texas.
12 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:35 PM PST by samtheman
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To: driftdiver

The tea party movement actually started in 1773. Many have taken up the name, but the latest movement has direct themes to the original tea party. Paul and his ilk used the name for some of their little anti-war, Guy Faulks type protests, but it had nothing to do with the Tea Party protests you see around the country now.


13 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Publius804
that's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers,

Nonsense and mad hatter blabbering.

14 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:20 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Ladies in the Republican Town Committee organized our Tea Party. They made a point of being non-partisan. No elected officials were invited to speak. One candidate for the second district was along with a Libertarian. The candidate, a constitutionalist Republican, Matthew Daly, spoke for five minutes in a non-partisan way.

The Libertarian went on a twenty minute rant about George Bush and Republicans. He also canvassed the crowd trying to sell crap.

15 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:29 PM PST by Brugmansian
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A cause without a rebel.

How cute.

How catchy.

And how obviously and demonstrably untrue.

I would mention the name of the rebel but I don’t want to sully that name by having it mentioned in the same thread as Ron Paul.

But y’all know who I mean.


16 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:04 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Publius804
If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.

Who said it was?

17 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:12 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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Gee, no one in our area thought that they were “Ron Paul” acolytes, we merely objecting to all elected “masters” who believed that they know what's best for all Americans merely by getting elected!
18 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:26 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: driftdiver
"Is that true? I kinda thought it started with Glenn Beck."

I think the original idea came from somebody name Santelli or Santori (from CNBC) and an off-the-cuff comment that he made during a live broadcast when he was railing against the original bailout.

19 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: j.argese
When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?

When this guy was his homie


20 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:32 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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