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The Science Behind the E-Cat Cold Fusion Reactor
Zorinaq ^ | Nov 6 2011 | Mark Bevand

Posted on 11/06/2011 3:50:39 PM PST by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo

I’m hearing that there are no high energy particles being emitted (which would be detectable). This makes no sense. If a thermal proton is being absorbed, and there are no emissions, then there is no way for energy to be produced (newton’s laws — conservation of momentum). It sounds like the physics of this reaction are designed to avoid being disproved.

It’s bunk.


21 posted on 11/06/2011 4:59:34 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Kevmo
The topic is that there is no possibility of independent verification of a black box.

You're the one who keeps changing the topic.

22 posted on 11/06/2011 5:03:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Kevmo

I am inclined to accept that the ECat is real. However, since the physics of the process is not completely understood, their operation will be inconsistent. A few may even suffer from being way too active, and risk blowing up. Conversely, some units may suddenly fail to work at all. That is part of the learning curve.

One aspect: if the ECat can be rapidly deployed to replace boilers and industrial heating applications, it could displace enough petroleum usage to affect oil pricing. The ECat could be a real monkey wrench thrown into the world power dynamic.


23 posted on 11/06/2011 5:08:21 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“The topic is that there is no possibility of independent verification of a black box.”

I would think that there would be no need for independent verification. If it works, the customer will buy more. That’s all the independent verification that is needed... The market place.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 5:09:39 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
I would think that there would be no need for independent verification. If it works, the customer will buy more. That’s all the independent verification that is needed... The market place.

Even the "purchaser" is a black box.

Unless you know who it is and can reveal it, you are checkmated.

25 posted on 11/06/2011 5:12:20 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Kevmo; All

No radiation, no transmutation.

“On the gamma radiation measurements
on the Rossi system
Mauro Villa,
Bologna University and INFN Sezione di Bologna
January 26, 2011

7 Conclusions
The main findings of the present study are the following:
• the present reactor was actually able to vaporize a cold liquid water
flux for about 40 minutes, showing a sizeable output-input power
difference and an integrated power production of several kWh [4];
• no gamma radiation above the background level in the energy region
E° > 200 keV has been observed, neither in single counting, not in
coincidence;
• regardless of the internal details of the reaction chamber, shieldings
and other industrial secrets, the ° rates measured with the NaI counters
seem not compatible with the rates deduced or expected assuming
that the energy production was due to nuclear fusion or decay reactions,
as suggested in [1].
Thus at present having found no nuclear reaction fingerprints, further
investigations are indeed needed to identify the energy production process.”


26 posted on 11/06/2011 5:18:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
Rossi has a tumultuous history to say the least. More of an entrepreneur than a physicist,

More of a con man than an entrepreneur.

27 posted on 11/06/2011 5:39:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Later, he spent time in prison in Italy because his company was found guilty of environmental crimes and tax fraud.

When the Italian government tested the "crude oil" Rossi was selling, they found that it was only 3% hydrocarbons, 22% water, and 75% toxic waste. I can't wait for them to test the ecat.

28 posted on 11/06/2011 5:43:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Unless you know who it is and can reveal it, you are checkmated.”

How so? Your not being ask to buy one or fund it? If it doesn’t work there will be very few sales. If it does work, expect to see the balance of power in the world change.


29 posted on 11/06/2011 5:49:33 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
An anonymous "buyer" sounds like a fake buyer to me.

The next step will be an IPO.

I suggest you sell everything you own and borrow every last dime you can borrow and buy as much of it as you can.

Just to prove PT Barnum right.

30 posted on 11/06/2011 6:10:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Born to Conserve

There are a bunch of theoretical LENR threads here on FR for you to criticize to your heart’s content.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


31 posted on 11/06/2011 6:11:59 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of course it’s possible to verify a black box. If it puts out more heat than any known chemical reaction, he’s onto something.

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts


32 posted on 11/06/2011 6:15:27 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Why do you feel the need to cut and paste the same comments into every E-Cat thread?

I agree with you that the something smells very fishy, but most of the people (like me) that click on the E-Cat thread would like to see some new info and not just a re-tread of the same, already blogged comments.

To anybody that has seen the comments for the fortieth time, the hyperbole is not even mildly amusing anymore.

Just sayin’..


33 posted on 11/06/2011 6:16:59 PM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Talisker

He cuts and pastes this same unclever reply into every e-cat thread.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 6:18:10 PM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Kevmo

Still waiting for the hands off by the developer and hands on testing by the independent laboratory and scientist.


35 posted on 11/06/2011 6:19:37 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Kevmo

the only thing that would make sense about the Global Warming Scam would be if the elite have been anticipating something like this for a while....


36 posted on 11/06/2011 6:21:46 PM PST by mo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If you had something that you invented that could change the course of history helping many of the people of the world, put many moneyed people on the alert and be stolen by others would you just let it all hang out and reveal all of your secrets to the world or would you play it safe, careful and hold your cards close to your chest?
37 posted on 11/06/2011 6:22:41 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

An anonymous “buyer” sounds like a fake buyer to me.
***Conspiracy theory.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts

Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .


38 posted on 11/06/2011 6:23:02 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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39 posted on 11/06/2011 6:25:31 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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40 posted on 11/06/2011 6:26:38 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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