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A Romney Nomination Means Independent Runs from BOTH Trump and Ron Paul? You Bet Your Sweet Bippy!!!
Reaganite Republican ^ | January 12, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 01/12/2012 8:54:27 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

If you weren't an adult (or were living in a cave) in 1992, I'm here to tell you that any independent run on the Right that pulls over 2-3% means four more years of Obama...
this election is way, way too close for us to allow anything like that to develop. (and some people wonder why I'm backing
Newt).

Yes, a dissed-n-pissed Trump is a serious potential problem we just don't need... but that's precisely what we're looking at now. He's already bolted the party, has an axe to grind, and can easily fund a substantial campaign. The Donald wouldn't need many votes to torpedo Mittens, and would at minimum do some heavy damage to the RNC's golden boy in the run-up to November.

Recall that Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to launch an independent campaign -think H. Ross Perot on cocaine- if the GOP 'picks the wrong candidate'.  He's also met and made nice with each and every Republican presidential hopeful save Romney, Paul, and Huntsman... in other words, any of the top three in New Hampshire and Trump's in. Since Mitt is the only one of them with a prayer of winning the nomination, you tell me who he's talking about.

But a Trump third-party presidential run would be a disaster for the GOP... and the nation, as Barack Obama would thereby be handed all the time he needs to finish pounding traditional America into smithereens.

Alas- it's kind of hard for me to get all over Trump for it when 
l largely agree what he's trying to force from the DC party establishment. I don't want him as president, but the source of the problem lies elsewhere:
he wouldn't be threatening to run if there wasn't a (highly effective) conspiracy afoot to pick-off Romney's challengers one-by-one.

In addition, a Romney nomination is the one single thing that
all but ensures an indy run (or damaging fight-on to a brokered Republican National Convention) from Ron Paul... great!  

An obstinate stand by this cult voter block could cost us dearly, since the Republican Party is in no position to just write-off major factions in an election of such dire circumstance
(vs. systematically-cheating opponents). This is likely what
Sarah Palin was recently referring to when she warned not to marginalize or ignore the Ron Paul libertarians... hey, 
I'd like to see the Fed audited too-

Conservatives do need to all get on the same page- and quick. Any serious independent presidential campaigns on the Right -pushing divisions right on into November-
are exactly the opposite of what we need to save this country from the ongoing 'progress' of the Obammunist Left.

But who's to blame for this now-unfolding predicament? Those trying to force the GOP to listen to the TEA Party at long last...
or a GOP Beltway establishment hell-bent on ramming the unloved Mitt Romney down your throat?

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1 posted on 01/12/2012 8:54:38 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: ken5050

*ping*


2 posted on 01/12/2012 8:56:09 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Well then it also means not only does Obama win re-election but likely does so with ease, which would equal him claiming a mandate. And if the democrats ever gained back the House with him claiming a mandate, then forget it. We’re all cooked.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 8:57:25 AM PST by hitchwolf
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To: Reaganite Republican

If that were the case, those two would be nothing more than prostitutes for Obama, because even the self-worshipping Trump and the psychotic Paul know it hands him four+ more years.

The only question is, what will Obama have given them in return?


4 posted on 01/12/2012 8:58:35 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Don’t think so bro. Paul is a nut job but not that nutty.


5 posted on 01/12/2012 8:58:53 AM PST by Roy Baty (When there is no way out, find a way further in.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

A Romney nomination mean Obama wins reelection regardless of the tricks used to get him there weather its Trump or somebody else. Why do you think so many Obama supporters are voting for Romney?


6 posted on 01/12/2012 8:59:38 AM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: hitchwolf

Even Idaho and Utah would be squeakers in this scenario.

I think it’s going to happen.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 9:00:16 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
In that case I would vote for Trump. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR McCAIN, I MEAN ROMNEY. I JUST WON”T DO IT.

The establishment needs to be taught a lesson. We will never take the country back otherwise. If we are unsuccessful in taking over the Republican party, we must DESTROY it. No matter the pain.

8 posted on 01/12/2012 9:00:24 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Trump’s an idiot so who cares?

I would be surprised if Paul doesn’t 3rd Party. He would, indeed, get some votes.


9 posted on 01/12/2012 9:01:23 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: ScottinVA

Unlike ‘92, these 2 guys might drain more votes from disaffected Obama supporters. The anti-Obama crowd will not dilute their vote this time.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 9:01:59 AM PST by Roy Baty (When there is no way out, find a way further in.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Trump should make a cash offer to both Perry and Santorum to jump out before SC.

20mill to each might make it palatable to them.

Very cheap to save the country....way easier than mounting a 3rd party run.


11 posted on 01/12/2012 9:02:27 AM PST by Bobalu (Newt is just the a-hole we need at a time like this)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Or, in other words, four more years with Obama as president...


12 posted on 01/12/2012 9:02:43 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: faucetman
We will never take the country back otherwise. If we are unsuccessful in taking over the Republican party, we must DESTROY it. No matter the pain.

Hand Obama a 40-state mandate (the likely result), and in four years, we won't be having discussions about "taking the country back." That'll be long out of the question.

13 posted on 01/12/2012 9:03:49 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I think Trump worked with Obama on the phony birth certificate issue- the whole thing looked like a script playing.

Donald may indeed pull a Perot, with the intention of electing Obama.

Remember, Perot started to run then pulled out when Clinton was doing well. Later when the polls suggested a problem with electing Clinton, Perot “had to get back in the race” and pulled enough R votes away so Billy Jeff got elected.

Trump may pull the same stunt. Anyone who runs third party on the GOP side knows exactly what the outcome will be.

Ron Paul won’t run. He’s setting up his son and getting Libertarian planks in the GOP convention imo.


14 posted on 01/12/2012 9:03:59 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Reaganite Republican
This is a stupid article.

Nobody can predict what Trump will do or why. The author pretends he knows but he doesn't.

There is a good chance that Ron Paul will run as a third party candidate regardless of who the Republicans nominate. Ron Paul is working to try to ensure Obama’s reelection. It is likely that no matter what happens Ron Paul will run as a third party candidate and never attack Obama. He will only attack the Republican nominee.

15 posted on 01/12/2012 9:04:02 AM PST by detective
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To: hitchwolf

How come this election cycle is not anything like as fun as I thought it was going to be...?


16 posted on 01/12/2012 9:04:42 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
We

MUST HAVE

runoff elections for this election. Barrack Obama being re-elected with 30 - 40% of the vote will start a civil war.
17 posted on 01/12/2012 9:06:26 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Reaganite Republican

Trump was on Greta the other night and all but endorsed Romney, I seriously doubt he plans to run 3rd party against him. As for Paul, who knows? but since most of his votes seem to come from independents and democrats he might hurt Obama as much as the Republican nominee


18 posted on 01/12/2012 9:06:26 AM PST by apillar
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because people are more selfish than ever and upset that their dreamboat is not running.

We need to focus on one thing alone - A B O


19 posted on 01/12/2012 9:07:02 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Bobalu

“Trump should make a cash offer to both Perry and Santorum to jump out before SC.

20mill to each might make it palatable to them.”
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SOMEbody’s got their thinking cap on!!!

Great idea, B


20 posted on 01/12/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I would bet money both of them would run


21 posted on 01/12/2012 9:08:52 AM PST by dila813
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To: faucetman

SCOTUS justices Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia turn 76 this year. There is a very strong possibility of one of them being replaced. Your disdain for Romney aside.. are you SURE you’re OK with Obama making the nominations for their replacements (knowing the Senate GOP’s lack of success maintaining filibusters)?


22 posted on 01/12/2012 9:09:55 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I hope Paul runs 3rd party. His support comes mostly from the anti-Constitution, anti-US defense leftists and conspiracy nut and dope-using libertarians so Obama and the the Libertarian Party candidate will lose the most votes. Trump running, however, would take away RINO Romney votes.


23 posted on 01/12/2012 9:10:38 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Reaganite Republican

If Paul runs 3rd party, he’s going to pull votes from both establishment parties, as did Perot. But, in this case, he could hurt King Barry more than he helps him as the left wing crazies that voted DemocRat en masse in 2008 will flock to Paul as we already saw in Iowa and New Hampshire.


24 posted on 01/12/2012 9:11:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Roy Baty
Unlike ‘92, these 2 guys might drain more votes from disaffected Obama supporters. The anti-Obama crowd will not dilute their vote this time.

No way. "Disaffected" Obama supporters are annoyed at him for not destroying the country enough. They aren't going to look to billionaire Trump or nutcase Paul to vent their frustrations.

25 posted on 01/12/2012 9:11:56 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Get used to it. Romney will be the nominee. Newt has shot himself in the foot and he is history. Trump is too smart to waste his money on a 3rd party run. Ron Paul will stay in the Rep. race all the way to the convention so he can get some platform concessions and will not run as a 3rd party for the sake of his son. Now is the time for everybody to focus on the objective which is defeating Obama.


26 posted on 01/12/2012 9:12:17 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Reaganite Republican

Paul won’t run 3rd Party. It would damage Rand’s budding political career.

Trump is a wild-card. Hard to predict what he will do, though I suspect he will also stay out. He is handsomely paid for his reality show.

I would rather Romney beat Obama, and then we can primary him in 2016.


27 posted on 01/12/2012 9:13:15 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: dila813
I would bet money both of them would run

One or both. The damage would differ only in the size of Obama's victory. It's folly to think democrats are going to come over to vote for Paul or Trump in any appreciable numbers.

28 posted on 01/12/2012 9:14:53 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Roy Baty
Unlike ‘92, these 2 guys might drain more votes from disaffected Obama supporters.

I'm with you. If Ron Paul were to disappear from the planet today, I'd bet 3/4 of his followers would not support ANY Republican...now or in the future. I also have no doubt that Trump would pull a lot of the dumbass vote...mostly liberals.

29 posted on 01/12/2012 9:15:09 AM PST by Niteranger68 (When voting, if you are not willing to work in the kitchen, order from the menu.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Doesn’t this kinda assume that we might win with Romney and no third party run? I’m not sure there’s a predicament here. I think we lose either way, if Romney is the pick.


30 posted on 01/12/2012 9:15:09 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Perry was ready to drop out. I wonder who might have talked or paid him into staying?


31 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:06 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Reaganite Republican

Ron Paul might actually win the 4 way race.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:32 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: ZX12R
I’m not sure there’s a predicament here. I think we lose either way, if Romney is the pick.

It's this: There is a chance Obama could be defeated without a third-party interference. With Paul or Trump in the mix, that chance is gone... completely. Say hello to at least four more years of Obama.

33 posted on 01/12/2012 9:19:47 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

IMHO, Donald Trump was planning to run for ‘12 POTUS as an Independent, no matter what. Donald is a leftist Democrat pretending to be a conservative Republican (NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg does much of the same thing.). Rep. Ron Paul is so unpredictable that I’m not so sure what he would do, even though Ron has said, several times, that he wouldn’t run for ‘12 POTUS as an Independent or from a third political party but would stay in the GOP. I’m, still, profoundly frustrated that BO is, probably, the worst POTUS, ever, but the GOP may end up losing the ‘12 POTUS race to BO, anyways!


34 posted on 01/12/2012 9:20:16 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: wolfman23601
Ron Paul might actually win the 4 way race.

Paul's chances are as good as the Broncos winning the superbowl. Concievable? Yes. Possible? Maybe. Likely? Lottery odds of that happening.
35 posted on 01/12/2012 9:21:11 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

If Paul and Trump enter as indies, let’s make at least a fun ride by drafting Palin to run on a 5th party ticket. It’ll be a lost cause, but it’ll be entertaining.


36 posted on 01/12/2012 9:22:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Since the nominee will either be Newt, Santorum, or God forbid, Willard, Trump will NOT run as he has explained again and again on Fox, but Uncle Nutjob WILL.


37 posted on 01/12/2012 9:22:36 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Wait a minute. Are you saying that Romney isn’t the most conservative electible candidate? I’m shocked, shocked!!


38 posted on 01/12/2012 9:22:56 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: ScottinVA
It's this: There is a chance Obama could be defeated without a third-party interference. With Paul or Trump in the mix, that chance is gone... completely. Say hello to at least four more years of Obama.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but I see Romney as McCain without Sarah Palin, and we have the same election over again.
39 posted on 01/12/2012 9:25:07 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: faucetman

Yeah, voting for Trump will really teach the Establishment a lesson! Boy, you’ll really make a point! Those Establishment types will really sit up and take notice when you vote for a-hole Trump.

Four more years of Obama and it wont matter. Your freedom will be gone. The economy will be in ruins. The collapse will be total. Dont like Romney? Well get over it! It seems like he will be the nominee, so you can vote for him, or any other vote you cast or dont cast is as good as a vote for Obama. Is he perfect? No. Is he 1000x better than Hussein Obama? Of course. So grow up!


40 posted on 01/12/2012 9:31:27 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: Bobalu
Trump should make a cash offer to both Perry and Santorum to jump out before SC. 20mill to each might make it palatable to them.

Yeah, any potential president who could be bought out for 20 milllion wouldn't get a vote for so much as dogcatcher from me, ever!

41 posted on 01/12/2012 9:32:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: faucetman

Well, completely detroying what is left of America probably would teach them a lesson. It might also teach you one about cutting off your nose to spite your face.


42 posted on 01/12/2012 9:34:07 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: DBrow
Remember, Perot started to run then pulled out when Clinton was doing well. Later when the polls suggested a problem with electing Clinton, Perot “had to get back in the race” and pulled enough R votes away so Billy Jeff got elected.

I also recall daddy 'read my lips' Bush was his own worst enemy, and made the grass roots support for Perot possible.

43 posted on 01/12/2012 9:34:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Great idea, B

You prefer Trump's money (bribery) to our votes?

Nice...

NOT!

44 posted on 01/12/2012 9:37:09 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Roy Baty

Ron Paul as reported on the internet somewhere said that he would not run a third party because it could damage his son Rand’s political future.


45 posted on 01/12/2012 9:37:47 AM PST by Cordio
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To: Reaganite Republican

Trump likes the publicity that talking about a run brings, but will never walk away from his businesses to actually run.

Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate because that would mess with Rand Paul’s future.


46 posted on 01/12/2012 9:39:54 AM PST by mcjordansc
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To: faucetman

I would happily vote for Trump if no other (REAL CONSERVATIVE) candidate runs third party.

The establishment GOP must be stopped. We make a stand here and now. The republic is dangerously close to collapse and BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are hell bent on taking us all down with them because of their power hungry ways.


47 posted on 01/12/2012 9:40:30 AM PST by CSI007
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To: Reaganite Republican
Actually, a 3rd party run would probably be the only way we could maintain a republican house and possibly gain a republican senate. If Romney is the moninee, there won't be enough republicans going to the polls to vote down ticket. If there was an alternative to vote for, they would at least be able to make sure the republicans maintained the house and possibly gained the senate.

Yes, Bam Bam would be president but at least we'd control the house and senate, otherwise we lose all three.

48 posted on 01/12/2012 9:41:00 AM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Of course; the siren call of a third party is because of the failure of our R and D elected officials.

Perot[anti-gun loon, etc] was absolutely correct about the National debt and trade back then. Today we suffer from only increasing such problems.

49 posted on 01/12/2012 9:41:23 AM PST by Theoria
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To: wolfman23601
Ron Paul might actually win the 4 way race.

Okay, now you did it! You mentioned the obvious and 'unmentionable' option.

If the GOP would back Paul, he wouldn't run third party (obviously), Trump might sit this one out, and Paul could collect the young people who thought Obama was a good idea four years ago (after all, they've been mugged, now). Might well translate into a GOP win.

Hobson's choice, really.

50 posted on 01/12/2012 9:42:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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