Posted on 02/10/2012 12:57:37 PM PST by Kartographer
This morning, I want to talk about these armed parasites. Some time ago I picked up the book Urban Survival Guide by David Morris. On page 86 of the text, which is really a comprehensive twelve-week urban survival course, Morris wrote:
… many people’s survival plan consists of buying just enough ammo to take whatever food they need by force. Just two weeks before writing this, I stood in a circle with eight active duty military talking about how quickly things were crumbling. When the conversation moved to preparations, I found myself listening to them mock families who stockpile food and detail their plans on how to “liberate” it if they ever need to.
Some of the comments were, “If they’re dumb enough to buy food instead of guns, they don’t deserve to live.” and “When it comes down to it, my family is more important than their family and I’ll take what I need.” and “I don’t have room to store a year of food, but I do have room for another case of .223.”
(Excerpt) Read more at survivalandprosperity.com ...
I was just joking.
Nothing to do with armed parasites, just thought it was a cool invention. Willie Nelson and Governor Perry own the product...Wonder if they’re preppers?
news story which shows product:
http://tinyurl.com/7nr3hpm
website with Terry LeBleau’s droughtmaster product, and other inventions/products:
http://www.droughtmasters.net
Yep. I agree with Texmex. Organization is a large force multiplier. I also agree that there is a lot of naivete on this thread probably due to the fact that most of the posters have never been through a catastrophe.
I don’t believe that we will ever see a SHTF scenario in our country for many reasons and one of those is that I have seen people and worked with them during several disasters and they became very thoughtful and polite, very cooperative.
Defense is much more effective when used with some degree of organization. A gang intrusion would be met with overlapping fields of fire with options for flanking and envelopment tactics. You would establish fire superiority first, which at this point may or may not be true by an inventory of your weapons, but shots coming from different directions should back up even the dumbest tough guy who thinks that he and his buddies are going to make a score.
The technique also makes excellent use of the most common rifle in the US, the single shot rifle.
By the way, military tactics are well known in this country partly due to the fact that the MSM just can’t keep its trap shut about operations in the wars we have fought. You probably know more than you think on this subject.
Food acquistion will be much easier as the organzation may ask the homeowners to knock down there fences to be re-erected on the perimeter for defense as well as clearing more area for agriculture. Agriculture is key as when humans switched over to it from the hunting gathering stage their life spans increased dramatically.
An organization can also communicate with other organizations to bring in the foodstuffs and equipment needed. Eventually the organization will meet up with another that has nurses or EMT personnel and you want them on your side and in your subdivision.
One point I never see discussed is the acquisition of protein and how that is accomplished. A regular pellet gun with 10,000 rounds (40 bucks?) will keep your family in protein from birds, the only source that will be around after three weeks or so. If you plant food, they will be around much of the time.
If you are in the city, you may have an endless supply of pidgeons, which are doves, just like white winged doves. If you have ever eaten squab, you have already eaten pidgeon. They’re good to eat.
If you are concerned about this SHTF possibility, I would recommend at least one single shot rifle in your extensive collection (I have nothing but single shot as I dislike semi-autos). A single shot can be repaired using parts of from a disabled car, a hacksaw and a small collectin of files. This cannot be said for semi autos.
Just my .02.....
bttt
So if someone else was talking about street thugs and NOT ME, why would you address your reply about street thugs only to me? Then have the nerve to say I’m spouting off?
It would behoove YOU to address your replies to the right people, or at least say, “Sorry, that was meant for [X], not you,” instead of being an ass.
I did NOT address the comment solely to you. And I do NOT believe in apologies - and if I DID, I’d have ZERO to “apologize” for. My reply was to the entire thread. An “ass”? Gee, your terse little “it might behoove you” was kind of like a school teacher’s snide, disrespectful quip.
I get the feeling the moderator will get invloved with this, so I’ll go my way and you go yours - I will not lower myself into your catagory.
I prefer to think of it as "teamwork". :0)
Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:29:14 AM · 134 of 167
Nathaniel to bolobaby
Hm. Don't see anyone else on that "to" list.
"And I do NOT believe in apologies..."
Of course you don't - you're a small-minded person who can't admit their mistakes even when they are pointed out in black and white.
Are you single?
Men with families have more to live for, as demonstrated by survival rates in ship sinkings in WWII.
Men with families have more to kill for, and they will.
Men with families have more to die for, and they will if need be, to protect their kin.
Men with families have a support system, medic, cook, and bedwarmer (the blessed ones, some may have only kids), they have a reloader, and someone to watch behind them.
I think you underestimate the power of a family working together, and over estimate the strength of the lone Indian fighter. In fact, the settlers did not face any different scenario than that we are discussing, and it was family and community that survived to create our society.
There is a time and a place for the Hawkeye’s of the world, God bless them, we need them, but don’t put too much faith in a land populated with them solely.
Peace,
I once had a roomate who used to devour all my food in the fridge and contibute nothing, and I decided toteach him a lesson...I made "squab casserole"...went straight to the park and began feeding pigeons from a paper bag, every once in a while a pigeon went INTO the bag, when no one was around. I cooked the breasts, boned them and added them to rice ad cream of mushroom soup...nothing fancy, and it tastes just like brown turkey. He gobbled it with gusto, until he found out what it was. I thought it was delicious!...he kinda freaked out a little. He asked before gobbling thereafter.
“Hm” - I hit “post reply” NOT “private reply”.
You’re WRONG. Period.
Based on our brief interaction you call me a “small minded person” - you have no earthly idea what type of person I am and could not have made an intelligent observation to that effect based of - what - two posts? Yeah, right. Sounds like a Pelosi moment from your end.
Now, no name-calling from my end, (unlike your pathetic “ass” juvenile comment).
You’re WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
I made NO mistake. PERIOD. You’re out of line.
“Hm” - I hit “post reply” NOT “private reply”.
You’re WRONG. Period.
Based on our brief interaction you call me a “small minded person” - you have no earthly idea what type of person I am and could not have made an intelligent observation to that effect based of - what - two posts? Yeah, right. Sounds like a Pelosi moment from your end.
Now, no name-calling from my end, (unlike your pathetic “ass” juvenile comment).
You’re WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
I made NO mistake. PERIOD. You’re out of line.
Now – concerning the “ex-military” bash – if – and that IS an IF – the conversation actually happened and was eavesdropped into, I have some doubts –
Were these people REALLY “ex-military” – there are scads of posers running around these days – I have personal experience with people who claim Ramboesque combat exploits – some never served at all. Some entered basic training and were separated for things such as “inability to adjust”. One guy publicly shed TEARS relating how “I DIED in Vietnam”, and bragged about his having been awarded the Silver Star – come to find out after I submitted a freedom of information act request about him, he DID serve during that particular conflict – as a FORKLIFT operator for a year in South Korea. While it is very true that anybody who ever honorably served in the military deserves respect – all the way and then some – regardless of branch or specialty, I’ve always angrily wondered why some who honorably served as say, heavy equipment operators or fuel delivery specialist tell tall “Special Forces / Ranger” tales of their exploits. My Father proudly served during the Korean War as a truck driver. Hated talking about the war, but never, ever lied about or embellished his experiences when pressed to actually speak about them. He left service as a PFC with an honorable discharge. Period. One local goombah claimed he was an active duty Infantryman – 11B (that was my MOS for 21 years before I retired, so I have some knowledge about these things) stationed at - get this – Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri and Ft. Gordon, Georgia – I pointed out that unless he was assigned to Drill Sergeant duty or some sort of special assignment, that it was HIGHLY unlikely he could have been assigned to either of those posts. He couldn’t get away from me fast enough when he found out I knew what I was talking about.
Having said that – real former warriors, IMO. Will be the ones people will turn to for advice, help and protection – not to say that all former military types are noble, honorable people (Charlie Rangle for example) however, I believe most are straight up.
Former warriors may have a low tolerance for stupidity and ignorance, but they usually DO understand honor and duty.
So, maybe the “ex-military” types that were standing around, as we used to say “selling woof tickets” weren’t at all the real deal.
Haha - just like you only responded to my post only once this time around, right?
Learn how to use a forum, genius. Why you reply to a specific post, you are responding to what a specific user has said. If you want to respond to the thread in general, post your reply to the original poster. If you want to respond to what DBrow has said, hit reply to DBrow.
This completes your training on forum etiquette.
I still kick myself every time I think about the property I did not purchase as a younger person, which was the last house before a several hour trip in the woods to the other side, and the only one past the last bridge. My thought at the time (early Clinton days) was “that bridge does not have to stay there in a bad situation.”
Just wasn’t ready to settle down, had no idea that property was going to bubble up by the time I was. Young and dumb.
That may be pii, but I share it to bump the idea for thought for others.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with pidgeon if one is in the habit of dining in an upscale restaurant one has probably eaten one, repackaged as squab.
A lot of dove hunters invest large sums in Benelli over-unders in Texas to hunt what are nothing more than pidgeons with a white slash on their wing. A friend of mine does the same with nothing more than a cheap ($50?) pellet gun.
I agree with you in summary as well as in detail. I have had the same experience with some “Ex-military” who turned out to be clerks.
By the way, I honor your dad in his truck driving, as they are very much part of the frontline war effort. My dad’s unit, for instance, use to line up when a truck pulled in with empty spam cans and waited patiently as their cans were filled up with the truck oil that was hauled in a 55 gallon drum in the back of the 2.5 ton. Cleaned their M1s and 1911 A1s with it. Most of those rifles and pistols came back to the armories still within military spec.
Truck drivers are one of the keys to winning a war. Logistics, logistics, logistics.
Couple of points:
Leos and ex military in a SHTF scenario would act as organizers as well as consultants in constructing layered defenses and would be highly paid or might work for free if needed. They are a dedicated lot and would be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as detailed in that “SHTFf fantasy” article referred to.
They would probably be paid in chickens as well as medical supplies as those would be the high value commodities.
The lone wolves with their super duper skills and super duper equipment would be eliminated within the first three weeks or so. Belonging to an organization is key to survival.
I know the rural life style ,down in the swamps of Louisiana,, but this so called urban environment, I have very little training or knowledge .
My own experience is that in a SHTF scenario it would become very quiet. Polite people cooperating for mutual benefit.
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